Glycerin in lotion triggers explosive detectors

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Perhaps this aspect of the security theater will finally get some needed exposure ....

    My Fox Boston: Glycerin in lotion triggers explosive detectors

    Better advice: Get some equipment that actually detects explosives.

    Better yet: Hold off on TSA.
  2. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    She doesn't state what kind of "additional testing took place." Did they give her the enhanced pat-down (i.e., the invasive groin massage)? Did they make her take her clothes off? I, for one, would like to know what happened in that "private room." :confused:
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  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Suppose you were an actual terrorist. You figure out some way to put explosives in your bag, including a detonator. If you get picked up by the ETD, you just say it was hand lotion, and they let you on the plane. You set off bomb. Or, if you can't get to plane, you set off bomb in airport, at checkpoint.

    TSA just automatically assumes it's a false alarm. If TSA really thought this could have been a bomb, there would have been much greater precaution taken. How can this be anything but beneficial to terrorism?

    What am I missing here?
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Same issue with Clear Care brand of contact lens solution. The minute amount of hydrogen peroxide in Clear Care alarms on TSA high tech testing equipment.

    Doesn't this make it clear that TSA has bought millions of dollars worth of equipment that are really not suitable for the intended use?
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  5. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    I never use hand lotion. But, I have a small hotel bottle of it in my Kippie Bag for plausible deniability if this happens to me. If my shoes ever have a false positive alarm, you can bet I'll be a 3-handicap golfer who just finished a round before coming to the airport.
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    of course she got her crotch rubbed thoroughly. for wearing hand lotion. SATTSO assures us this rarely happens. yet there is a steady drumbeat of these stories. It is unconscionable to sexually assault passengers because they use common products.
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  7. As I have been in the past, I am troubled by this:

    "Explosive detected." In red, like in the movies, to make sure everyone gets all excited. If this is how the machine works, and if screeners are not fully trained on the intricacies of the false positive problems with these machines, I can actually understand why they swarm and get all aggro. The whole scene is set up to emulate an action adventure flick in which they are the Bruce Willis-style bomb-stopping heroes.
  8. Wimpie

    Wimpie Original Member

    Seeing that TSA has never detected a genuine explosive, 100% of the alarms are FALSE POSITIVES. This tolerance for false positives is going to really play out well if someone actually shows up with explosives.
    I can just picture the whole checkpoint going boom - or not, because there are no terrorists, or they would be having a heyday blowing up shopping malls, schools, buses, and other "soft" targets.
    Where are they?
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  9. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Much to their dismay 99.9999% of all 'positives' are false alarms which does more harm than actually finding explosives.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

  11. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    It's really quite stupid. If there was a genuine concern that someone actually had a bomb, the detectors would be set up in a bomb proof roof, where the passenger would be isolated as well.
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Of course it is. It's the TSA.
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  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    clearly, they don't think it is really a bomb. and this is reinforced with thousands of such false alarms every day.
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  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    If I were a real terrorist, 100o's of false alarms for explosives every day would be WELCOME news.
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  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And what do they do when they get a "positive" test such as this?

    Reports indicate that they take the "terrorist" into a small broom closet and vigorously rub their genitalia.

    The "test" then comes back negative.

    This is nothing more than an elaborate show with sexual gratification thrown in for free.
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  16. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Bolding mine: Just make sure to clarify that said sexual gratification would only be on the part of the screener, not the passenger (unless said passenger is into stuff like that)!
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  17. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    If such were the case, then it is most likely that the person is actually another TSA employee, maybe even Janet or John.
  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I assumed our audience here would know that, but I guess it does bear clarification!
  19. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    This part is unclear.. Did the A.S.S. say she was being detained, or did they involve a LEO? If the former, I think I missed the memo on the A.S.S. being allowed to detain people... :rolleyes:

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