GOP Debate: Ron Paul Says TSA Is 'Abusive'

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Hats off to Ron Paul for hammering away at this, but the insistence on private companies just obscures the problem. The Mall of America is employing private goons, who are bullying, harassing, and abusing people just as much as the TSA is. The problem isn't public vs. private; it's authoritarianism vs. liberty, paranoia vs. reality, hysteria vs. common sense.
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    We have private prisons (oh, the joy!) and one of the worst scandals I've ever heard of was the private prison cash for kids thing in Pennsylvania. Plus, let's face it, Ron Paul is not taken seriously by anyone but a few acolytes.
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    CP, yes, that cash for kids thing in Pa. was one of the most vile things I've ever read about. But then, Arizona is now charging visitors to prisons. Charging them! As if these people aren't poor enough. (Next thing you know, we'll have Dickensian debtor prisons. Oh, that's right; we more or less already do.) Arizona spawned the odious Joe Arpaio, though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    As well as the odious Janet Napolitano.

    I'd not heard of the cash for kids travesty, but just heard of the plan to charge visitors in AZ. I'm sure it was devised to send people back across the border or to find even more "illegals."
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Napolitano is incompetent. She embarrasses herself every time she opens her mouth.
  7. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    The media can keep repeating that, but his popularity indicates otherwise. Ron Paul:
    Fortunately Rick Perry is lifting Paul's platform, so maybe the TSA will be a featured issue in the 2012 campaign.
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  8. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I caught part of the GOP debate last night. It seemed any question by the moderators about DHS/TSA was deflected back to the economy. I'm not really surprised, though. All we need is another underpants bomber and any president or candidate that spoke of reining in the agency would be vilified as "soft on terror".
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm sorry but I just can't agree with you on this.

    Nappy doesn't even need to open her mouth to be an embarrassment!
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  10. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Rick Perry scares the crap out of me. That said, didn't he support the Texas measure that would have made the grope illegal in Texas?

    If he were to come out and say he would disband the TSA, I'd seriously have to consider casting my vote for him. And, after Bush, that's downright scary.
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The Texas bill had some strange activities going on. Dewhurst sent me a letter after I complained about him blocking the bill saying he fully supported it. Perry claims he was in favor of the bill and added it to the special session.

    To know the truth I think a person would have to be privy to all communications from these peoples offices, but I revert to rule #1 when trying to figure out why the bill did not pass, Both Dewhurst and Perry are politicians first!
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think Perry saw it as politically expedient at the time to come out against the TSA, then when he saw what it would entail to follow through, said the (expletive deleted) with it. I don't believe he ever had any intention to actually challenge them.
  13. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Me, too. Politics aside, I'm waiting for the skeletons to come out of his closet. He strikes me as someone who probably has more than a few.
  14. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    Rick Perry scares me too. I have resolved not to vote for that snake under any circumstances.

    He's always saying the right thing at the right time to throw out a little red meat via the media. When he comes out against the TSA, it's because he's the governor of a state with a lot of bottled up anti-Washington sentiment. If he's president, then he becomes Washington. He's a career politician who changed parties before (used to be a Democrat and a campaign organizer for Gore).

    Perry could support the Texas anti-TSA bill because not only did he know it would never pass, he knew it would likely be ruled unconstitutional or somehow voided. This is why the Ryan budget passed the House - everybody knew they could vote for it and appear tough on spending because it would never get through the Senate or the White House, and thus House members would never be accountable for people complaining about cuts.

    Without making this about other political topics, what scares me about Perry is this: he's one of those law-and order, national defense, Bolton-following neoconservative idiots. As soon as he's Mr. Washington instead of Mr. Texas he'll be out in the forefront pushing more interventionist policy and tough on terror talk, while feeding the homeland security fear and increased identification of our society.

    He also doesn't seem very intelligent, preferring talking points over logical positions. He seems like the naive type who would think the Israeli model could work at our airports (he's also a pretty big Israelophile).

    I think if Rick Perry wins we'll see the TSA continue with the scannings and gropings and add a whole lot more databasing, profiling, questioning, and papers please on top of everything they already do, especially if Perry drags us into another overseas conflict and needs to crank up the domestic fear from an 11 to a 12.

    I can't see a blowhard like that toning down the authoritarian goons.

    If Rick Perry disbands the TSA, it's because he's creating an even worse national security apparatus.

    Perry is no good for us at the airports and neither is Obama. Liberty does not seem to be a very big concern of the American people, except in bite-sized soundbytes on cable news channels. The "liberty" issues people seem to care about are gay marriage, pot legalization, or the Pledge of Allegiance in schools - you know, those ideological litmus tests that aren't really relevant for most of the population or have a rather small impact. When it comes to a routine thing like freedom to travel people go stupid and go along with AFS.

    (N.B., I'm a reluctant Republican voter who has never voted for any Democrat, and this is how much I dislike that slimy weasel. Rick Perry is George Bush 2.0. If he gets the nomination I'll write in Ron Paul as a protest vote. I'm done voting for people who will reduce my liberty. I'll reserve my right to tell everybody else "I told you so.")
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