Groping: Has there been a change?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Doober, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Reports at the other place indicate that the word "resistance" seems to have been deleted from the TSA's vocabulary. Reports of truly offensive gropes seem to be down as are videos of groping.

    Has there been a change?
  2. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Since last Monday, I believe I've seen a huge change. There has been a renewed effort on the part of the TSA to keep out of the news, except for puff pieces.

    I think there's been a change in SOP, orchestrated to avoid legal decisions and legislation that would actually place limits on what they can get away with. They're scaling back the day-to-day scumbaggery so that they can save their foulest practices for future assaults on our Constitutional rights.

    If we have any sense, we'll continue to press for legislation that reigns them in. Only in that fashion can we send federal fascists a clear NEVER AGAIN! message. Otherwise future psychopathic leaders will simply note what the TSA got away with and how long they got away with it. They will take lack of legislation and court decisions as signs the American people are weak, stupid and begging to be stripped of our Constitutional rights.
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  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    for what it's worth, I saw most of the screeners carefully avoid genital areas at the airports I traveled through last week. but maybe those were just good days.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    My thoughts on the media exactly.
    'We changed our secret rulebook' makes an issue moot retroactively? Really? I don't know how they avoid legal decisions for a practice used, if there's isn't anything strictly prohibiting use in the future. Besides, the exposure to harm is still there, whatever they call our body parts. Most rape victims are lot more sensitive than needing to be re-assaulted to be upset. A change does avoid many more unpleasant and newsworthy future criminal cases.
    Apparently TSA didn't want TUG's current clothing line to get too popular either! :D
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There's been a change in the wind for a couple weeks now. I Google (& Bing!) several times daily for TSA & VIPR. The really good stuff is in short supply. I see several trends.

    1) I think they're trying to put a damper on the really stupid stuff, e.g. checking granny diapers. These are incidents are dying up. This is a good thing.
    1a) There are reports that they're no longer referring to crotch/vagina/vulva/penis as "resistance". This removes an easy way for us to mock them and focus public attention on the problem. The bigger question is: Are they still groping our torsos?

    2) AGITPROP is hard at working flooding news reports (a) with icky-sweet announcements about less invasive scanners (every airport that gets one appears to warrant a press release) , never mind that they've been proven ineffictive and (b) announcements of "Israeli style" BDO questioning, never mind that a burger-flipper with 4 days of training and a 3-day internship can't accomplish anywhere near what the Israelis do. The TSA propaganda machine is running near capacity right now.

    3) VIPR has completely disappeared from the news. When they announced an operation in Philadelphia in late July, I spent ~4 hours putting up information in TUG about where to complain regarding the appearance of VIPR thugs in Philly. Unfortunately, I had to spend the next day & a half driving (not flying) from STL to MSP, fighting some fires @ work & then getting ready to drive to DEN. I know that a couple TUGgers made some contacts as a result but I don't know how extensive the input was. If I ran across such an announcement right now, I would take a couple days' vacation to focus on it. This was 2-3 weeks after the Rutherford Institute released their "Dominate, Indimidate, Control" paper on VIPR. It's clear they've realized they need to keep VIPR out of the news, which makes it an even greater threat to our freedom.

    I think it's pretty obvious that TSA is reeling from the backlash that comes from its abuse & arrogance, but they are regrouping. They are hardly finished by any stretch of the imagination.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    DFW on 8/21, groper went to upper thigh stopping well below crotch.
  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Maybe the knobs don't go up to 11 any more.
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  8. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Until this happens, does it really matter?
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  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    2c) Another trend the last couple weeks seems to be a sharp uptick in the reports of TSA finding guns in luggage, esp. carry-ons. Again this is what they should be doing, and they've probably been doing it all along (except for the ones they miss :D). Nevertheless AGITPROP seems to be working overtime to rack up every possible brownie point.
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Seconding everything Mike has said. I, too, have noticed a marked decrease in the accounts of abuse. Doesn't mean they're not happening, of course, but does imply Herr Pistole and friends are trying to keep bad publicity at bay. And the onslaught of stories about BDOs and "gingerbread-man" scanners is profound. Most of the news media, of course, is only too happy to play PR cheerleader. Unquestioning repetition of TSA talking points is the order of the day.
  11. jackonferry

    jackonferry Original Member

    It was difficult to avoid the scanners at PIT a few minutes ago. Nearly everyone was being directed through them. There were probably 25 people in front of me. About 4 opted out (I would have, but was able to play ignorant and go through a WMTD). I was able to talk to 2 of the opter-outers. One man was in his early 40s. He said he works around radiation and avoids extra when he can. The other was a woman in her early 60s probably. I could not hear her explanation, but she clearly opted out and looked impatient as she waited for her handler.

    I watched the frisks. They were much more cursory than they have been in the past. Still a weird focus on collars. But, the man I spoke to who opted out did not get much of a patdown at all. Several others I witnessed were very light in touch (except the collars) and did not go high up on the legs. I didn't see any female patdowns so I can't comment on those. I also did not notice how many people who got scanned still got patted down. I was too busy trying to avoid the scanner.
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Why isn't the TSA proudly announcing this policy change (unlike kiddie shoe searches)?
    No longer sexually assaulting passengers? I think this policy change should receive the hoopla it deserves.:D
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  13. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Because they never sexually assaulted passengers in the first place, KK, so how can they say they changed a procedure that never existed? ;)
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    To announce this kind of change would be TSA admitting that the pat downs were bordering on or were an assault.
    Didn't Comrade Pistole pretty much say that TSA would take screening far enough to make the public complain before backing off?
    Any slight reduction after what TSA has been doing seems pretty significant even if it is only a minor concession.
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I still don't believe they're backing off. That columnist in the WashTimes, Gail Jaquish, certainly didn't experience a patdown; she experienced a grope.
  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    And no use of the word "resistance"? Why, I would call the substance and timing of these changes "evidence.":D
  17. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Perhaps done by a rogue screener or a screener who has not yet been able to assimilate the new protocol for patdowns.
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I'm still not flying.
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  19. OnTheAsile

    OnTheAsile Original Member

    Not attempting to hijack this thread. Searched for this paper and did not find thread on it. It my be of interest to some members.

    In Part:

    "VIPR Searches and the American Citizen: 'Dominate. Intimidate. Control.'
    By John W. Whitehead

    "They're trying to scare the pants off the American people that we need these things... Fear is a commodity and they're selling it. The more they can sell it, the more we buy into it. When American people are afraid, they will accept anything."--Kate Hanni, passengers' rights advocate

    "Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government...Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart."-- Justice Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials"

  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    OntheAsile, yes, this has been posted before and we've discussed it. John Whitehead is an ally on this issue.

    (P.S. Like your moniker -- very clever!)

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