Gutsy Granny or Holy Terror? You Decide!

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    If this thread goes to the sandbox, I'll understand. There's really no way of verifying the veracity of this story. I'm presenting it pretty much for it's entertainment value, although there is one useful take-away: some demographics can get away with more pushback than others.​
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If true, someone needs to study the line between constitutionally-protected speech & disorderly conduct. The woman may be pushing her luck with the sheep noises. Stating your opinion calmly and clearly is one thing, trying to be disruptive is a different ball game.

    Still, ^ as long as she gets away with it!
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I once had a dozen or so people "moo'ing" in the line at DFW back in 2007.

    I was on my way home from a "new hire" training at a dude ranch, and remarked to a co-worker how like the cattle chutes the TSA line was, "moo'ed" at him, and suddenly half the line was doing it.

    Shuffle a few steps, "moo," shuffle a few steps.
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  4. She's right about her demographic being able to push the limits. Old white ladies can be powerful allies against the TSA. I learned about this in Ukraine and Russia, boy, you don't mess with the babushkas there. I heard a story once of a tiny old babushka dragging a drunken soldier off a train by the ear and dumping him on the platform, and then the train taking off without him. Even if this gal is doing something that could be considered disorderly conduct, can you imagine what would happen if they arrested an old lady for being a big mouth and making sheep noises? She would be a hero, there would be Facebook pages about her, and the gropenfrau and cops who busted her would be a national embarrassment. They know we're right on the cusp of a Rosa Parks tipping point, and they can't risk being the particular buffoons who send us over the edge.
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  5. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I'm one of those old white ladies and I hate the TSA as much as anyone could but I'm having a problem with the way this particular old lady expressed herself. I think there is a right and wrong way to do it and asking for a supervisor who is not a "bull dyke" isn't the right way to do it in my opinion. Yelling and making a loud fuss just makes you, at her age, look like a nutcase and makes people roll their eyes at you and think you are a bit crazy. The way to do it is like Paul Sanchez (my hero) does by knowing what the rules and regulations are and using that knowledge to deal with the TSA. Being a person who is a "loud mouth" I've come to realize that sometimes using your brain and stating your point in a rational manner often times gets you a better result in the end. And a question I have is: how does she know who is a lesbian and who is not and is it not against the law to ask someone what their sexual preference is? This woman claims she's not homophobic but that's not the feeling I get from the article.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't think there is any law keeping an individual from asking a persons sexual preference is although it's not a polite thing to do. An employer on the other hand might not be in the same position. Sometimes people present themselves in such a manner that it is likely a message they are sending. Granny may have had it exactly right.

    We all have to figure out the best way we can push back against TSA so I am not going to fault her for the method she picked.
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  7. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Go, granny,
    Go, granny,
    Go, granny, GO!
    (Isn't that a Beach Boy's song? :confused: )
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    How on earth is making a sheep noise being disruptive?
  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    More politically incorrect than profiling--- calling a dyke a dyke!
    Unquestioning of the LOGIC :rolleyes: that by simply having same-sex screening TSA insulates itself from the sexual issue.
    I think it's a fine way to bring attention to it, (having been felt up by a TSA dyke myself).
    Someone wants to be Ms.Manners for their feel-up, fine. Someone wants to be rude and outrageous, that's fine too.
    It's a free country.:D
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    What is her purpose in making these sheep noises, and how might a judge construe that purpose?

    In another case, how was reciting the 4th amendment disruptive? I say that ranks a notch higher than bleating and yet a military physician was arrested for disorderly conduct for doing exactly that at a TSA checkpoint.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And in many cases, it's a fair question even if the language is not politically correct.

    People lose track of the underlying reasons behind modesty. It's not just a male/female thing, although that probably covers it for the majority of us. For others, however, there's also the aspect of not being exposed to or handled by someone who might be sexually interested in you. And there are some people who have been raised not to expose themselves to anyone. Government actors should not be inviting themselves to cross these highly personal boundaries.
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    "How will the police state judge me?" might inform action, but active resistance is rarely mute.
    As she said, "not recommended for all demographics."
  13. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    To demonstrate she's a BAAAA-D (expletive deleted) Granny!
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  14. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    We all know what the purpose of the bleating is, Mike; however, the true sheeple will never understand.
    As to the bolded statement, you are right on! Why did they request LEO intervention to arrest the military physician and not the Gutsy Granny? Was it because Granny's message of protest was a bit more subtle? Or was it because this particular group of airport security screeners (asses) knew that they didn't have a "Buckaroo" type LEO to back them up?
  15. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Little Old Lady From Pasadena.

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