Hearing May 14 in Portland for "Naked American hero" John Brennan

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by phoebepontiac, May 6, 2013.

  1. Uh oh. The TSA is finally trying to lay the smack down for "interfering with the screening process." Interfering is on deep discount this month for just $1000.

    More at Papers, Please
     
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I find it fascinating that TSA would gamble on this case. My guess is the amount is far cheaper than a lawyer so they have a chance the victim will eat their charge without dispute. I hope Brennan sticks it to them. I don't see TSA being willing to pursue this at all if there is pushback.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Here's the (expletive deleted) who's presiding over the Kangaroo Court:


    Guess they don't trust Oregon judges after the last one acquitted him -- this one is from Seattle.

    Address & phone:

    USCG Administrative Law Judge Seattle

    Henry M. Jackson Federal Building
    915 Second Avenue, Room 2609
    Seattle, WA 98174-1067
    Phone: 206-220-7105
    Fax: 206-220-7108

    Honorable George J. Jordan, ALJ
    Assistant: Mary Purfeerst, Paralegal Specialist
    Heather MacClintock, Attorney-Advisor

    3 George J. Jordans in WA according to Intelius, the 1st seems an extremely good match w/ his bio:

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    Spouse:

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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Seems having a judge that hears DHS cases and also draws a paycheck from DHS would be a conflict of interest.
     
  5. It will be interesting to see how they attempt to define "interfering with the screening process," and how far this "judge" lets them take their asinine reasoning. If someone strips naked to demonstrate that they aren't hiding anything, they are by definition expediting the screening process. Duh.
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Has honesty & ethics ever mattered with TSA & DHS?
     
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  7. Also wondering how it is legit for them to punt this to a coastie judge. What exactly is this guy's jurisdiction? Does jurisdiction even mean anything anymore? Kangaroo court indeed.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This judge may be perfectly honest but I see an ethics issue.
     
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  9. Another thought -- if this coastie judge can preside over this TSA issue, why can't he hear the cases that get turned away from the regular courts because the regular courts don't have jurisdiction? If TSA can take a citizen to this "court", cannot a citizen take the TSA to it?
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I have a serious issue with any "judge" who would take such a case in the first place. The label "honorable" is lost on him.
     
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Yes. They are disqualifying factors in TSA and/or DHS "employment."
     
  12. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    The Judge's DHS affiliation should provide a slam dunk basis for an appeal if necessary.
     
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  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    All DHS Administrative Law Judges should then be disqualified but that is not what happens. Talk about a kangaroo court.
     
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  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Flows from 49 CFR, from the PapersPlease story:
    Fascinating. "Payback" for the Tobey decision? Tyrants hate the first amendment.
    Harassment and intimidation, by which party?
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I would be interested in a legal explanation of how a judge working for the prosecuting department/agency can be allowed to pass judgment in such cases.
     
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  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Since when has any agency been required to abide by "legality" since the passage of the so-called "PATRIOT" Act?
     
  17. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    http://q13fox.com/2013/05/12/man-wh...t-says-tsa-fine-is-overbearing/#axzz2TBqjWqgY

    My problem with the whole "interfering with screener/screening" charge is that it makes the victim responsible for the screeners' behavior. The victim just stripped jay-bird naked. How can you be more cooperative than that? (I know, bend over and spread 'em, lift your testicles, squat, shave your public hair, etc. You can be more cooperative, but not by much.) Any way, this reminds me of the "interfering" charges trumped up against people who record malfeasant police officers. Again, the victim is being held responsible for the state actor's behavior.

    We can only be responsible for our own behavior, not that of other people. Mr. Brennan's behavior has been found by a judge to be perfectly acceptable, (covered by the 4th amendment,) but the TSA thugs still want to blame him for their over-the-top reaction to his perfectly acceptable behavior. I don't think this scapegoating should be permitted, but then that's probably the reason why folks with my values aren't asked to serve on juries or become judges.

    Frankly, I think it's time the TSA goons were help responsible for their behavior. They claim their reaction to his legal and perfectly acceptable behavior was counter to screening effectiveness? If this is so, then obviously it was their (the TSA goons') behavior which interfered with screening.

    Charge every single histrionic twit who allowed him/herself to be distracted from screening duties a grand each.
     
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I've yet to meet a TSA employee who understood the meaning of "responsibility." Or "honor," or "ethics," for that matter.
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The victim stripped after TSA told him he alarmed the ETD testing.

    I would think he did so in order to quickly prove that he was not a threat. Doesn't that expedite the screening process, not hamper the process?
     
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  20. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    When we humans are being silly, which we often are, we sometimes say stupid stuff like "Oh drat! See what you made me do?!" We know we're being childish just as soon as the words come out of our mouths. We would not seriously expect someone else to be responsible for our behavior.

    It's sad that we have one of our government agencies acting like a petulant, self-righteous cretin. (best interpretation) This pattern of thinking is highly unusual outside of pre-school classrooms and mental institutions. You'd think they'd be self-aware enough to know how such behavior is viewed by the general public.
     
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