Higher-risk passengers now screened with less effective technology!!!

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So now TSA finds itself in the position of using the more efficient and more effective screening technology on the low-risk passengers while delegating the less capable Nude-O-Scopes (which now always come with a PSG*) to higher risk passengers.

    Seattle Times: Cracking the code on airline partnerships

    *PSG = Post Scope Grope
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

    Pre-Check will further divide potential TSA critics, with those who are ushered through without being abused lining up to tout the program's ease and effectiveness, essentially giving a big F-you to the less fortunate.

    Pre-Check is ethically wrong and practically wrong. It will hurt us in the long run.
  3. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    And then they'll be shocked when something goes wrong.
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  4. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Without regurgitating what I've been posting in various articles around the "inter-webs" , I agree that this is the most blatantly Orwellian program to come out of TSA yet.

    Minorities and the less fortunate will bear the brunt of TSA abuse and the elites will skirt security. TSA will tout these folks as an example of how they are "helping the little guy" while simultaneously abusing them.

    This proves that even TSA recognizes that this is just security theater and they're just trying to curry public favor for their harassment by advertising this program.

    If you read the quotes they get, every PreCheck member is just giddy that they didn't get groped.

    What TSA is apparently failing to factor into their calculation is that, while these elites consume a significant portion of the air miles each year, the vast majority of fliers are of the once a year variety. Consequently, most people will continue to have bad experiences and criticism of the agency will likely remain at current levels. They are also painting themselves into a corner should a victim sue them for treating them differently than the FFs who get a pass.

    What will really kill the program will be the first time an elite gets caught carrying a weapon through security. That eventually is simply a matter of time.
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  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You expected something correct to come from the morally bankrupt collective of blue-shirt-wearing defectives?

    There's not a person currently working for that organization with the backbone or intestinal fortitude to stand up and say, "This is crap, and I'm not going to do it any more because it's morally and ethically wrong."

    They'll post on public forums about how they're trying to change things from the inside, or that the public doesn't see what they do to understand why these actions are actually necessary and correct, but not one of them has the balls to simply quit over it. Those that had 'em, did - leaving the (expletive deleted) and morons we currently have staffing the airport checkpoints.
  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I agree. I don't know what cures them of the idea that identification does not equal intent.
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  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    TSA is stupid. That's blatantly obvious in how they've implemented every single program thus far.

    US used to cater almost exclusively to elite travelers on high-volume, short-haul routes along the East Coast where they once long ago could charge a premium for fares. This far into deregulation, that business model just doesn't work any more. It simply isn't sustainable. It is one of many, but perhaps one of the top 3, reasons US was 17 days away from closing its doors for good when the merger was announced w/ HP and cash was released to help them operate until it was complete.

    In the early days of the merger HP management, which was very adept at competing w/ WN's model of bringing in lower rent traffic, there was a ridiculous amount of pushback from US employees at all levels - front line, middle management, analysis - that US was a high class airline and this just wouldn't do.

    The numbers were irrefutable. While, yes, a very small percentage of an airline's traveling public pays on average a higher average fare and travels more frequently, an airline cannot survive without these "kettle" flyers. (I hate that term, but it sums up nicely exactly this point Fisher1949 is making). The HP/US merger proved this.

    As Pre Check expands, look for things to get downright ugly. These travelers are already annoyed at all of the perks, shorter lines, and early boarding elite travelers get. Just wait until they start to notice that elite travelers are going through a special WTMD-only line, keeping on their shoes, and walking to the gate in a matter of a couple of minutes while these travelers stand in a long line, take off their shoes, get barked at, herded like cattle, then scoped, then groped. Until now, these people have been the most vociferous in their support of scope and grope because, who cares? It only takes a couple of seconds and everyone else has to do it. What makes you think you're special? Just wait until they see a whole different class of people skating through.

    It's obvious TSA doesn't understand airline traffic.

    It's also obvious TSA doesn't understand security.

    Frankly, I'm giddy for what airports are going to look like in a year!
  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It's also obvious that the TSA doesn't understand... well, much of anything.

    At this time, anyone still working for them is at a minimum a (expletive deleted) of epic proportions if not actually a sociopath.
  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    LOL! Caradoc how do you really feel? Please, don't sugarcoat it.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I have to, or I'll be "coached" again.
  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    What do you see a year from now?
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    so stupid and self-defeating it's funny isn't it? you go from "that's just the way it is" pax acceptance to complete resentment. They'll have to put up curtains so pax can't see this. I'll lay odds that curtains are next....

    how many ways can TSA cut its own throat? they are spectacular.
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  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I know -- the non-Pre-Check passengers should have to wear a big orange sticker, in honor of the Threat Level Color Codes of old. That way, it's easy to tell who's who. Yeah, history has never shown us anything like that before!
  14. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    Minorities, less fortunate, infrequent travellers, AND non-US citizens (many of whom have been subject to more intense screening than Pre-Check requires)

    The outcry against the scanners is almost unheard now. I agree that it will be come even more quiet with Pre-Check.

    But I find it astounding that this program is something special considering that not removing shoes and WTMD is pretty much the norm in 'rest of world'.

    It says a lot about the US public and TSA that this is touted as a wonderful advancement; it's just a tiny step upwards (if that) from the deepest depths, and still far below 'rest of world' standards.

    As to how others will react, use FastPass some time at WDW. I've been heckled, shouted at, and physically blocked by visitors who didn't realise that they too could use FastPass. There is a lot of tension between frequent flyers and infrequent flyers already, and anything which makes people appear even more elite will only increase that tension.

    And for the record, I am not against PreCheck simply because I do not qualify. I would like to think that if I were a US citizen I would feel exactly the same as I do now.
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    exbayern, and as we've noted, joining Pre-Check still doesn't mean a person won't be scanned, groped, or otherwise assaulted. It only means he/she might not be:

    TSA News Blog: TSA Pre-Check Rolls Out in Las Vegas

    TSA News Blog: TSA Expands Pre-Check Again
  16. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    Oh I realise that.

    But I believe that many do not.

    And it isn't anything to celebrate, yet people are doing so. It's wrong to celebrate a teeny tiny improvement from worstoftheworst to just slightly less worse.
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  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Right. I'm hoping that the readers who come to TUG and lurk but don't comment might come across this and learn about it.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The Orlando Sentinel has picked up this article, and they're taking comments ...

    Orlando Sentinel: Cracking the code on airline partnerships

    Be sure to point out that TSA is now using the less efficient and less effective screening technology for "higher risk" passengers.
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    What I'm trying to post there, and where I keep getting a "Comments cannot be posted with profanity" (?!) error message:

    Okay, I took out the hyperlink and it posted. But now it's got all that gobbledygook Word code embedded. Tribune papers all do this.
  20. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I see no carry-on allowed, even for medicines. If you need an oxygen generator you get put in a cage.
    I see body cavity searches (waived if you "tip" the smurf $100).
    I see mandatory clothes change into prison orange jumpsuits, with your street clothes bagged and put in checked storage.
    I see passengers locked in their seats, no food, no water, and very few bathroom trips allowed.
    I see "flight attendants" with TASERs and capsicum spray.
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