Hollyweird's Take on Gun Control

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    RB - you aren't going to be able to kill 20 people in a space of minutes with a hammer.
     
  2. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    To be honest, I don't know what that is about.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The sponsors of the recall petition were the White Panther Party, who were mostly headed to jail anyway. Tossing Molotov cocktails & stuff like that is not cool.

    DiFi is an elitist piece of :trash: who has one set of rules for herself and another for her subjects.
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    No but there are other tools available. Seems I recall an older lady who lost control of her car and mowed down a bunch of people.

    Tell me, what percent of gun owners are involved in violent crime? I would bet it is a tiny fraction of a percent.

    We have gun laws. Making new laws that take guns away from law abiding citizens will have almost no impact on gun related crime because the criminals don't care about the law.
     
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Did you miss the news today? The FBI says hammers kill more people than rifles.

    We need hammer registration and control NOW!
     
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I've damn sure smashed a few thumbs in my time with the darn things. Dang thang about it seems to always be my thumb.:D
     
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I've always felt it was stupid to hold a nail with one hand while you're hammering it with another, but that's never dissuaded me from repeating the mistake.
     
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    RB Founding Member

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  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    1. Nope.

    2. Confiscating people's weapons is wrong because of the 2nd amendment, but it's also wrong due to our right to own property. Many of my guns are less useful for self-defense than my pasta rollers. I would have more luck throwing or jabbing with these weapons than I would firing them. I own all my treasures legally, and I'm not giving them up because the fascists are feeling sticky fingered this year. If they want to steal, they should be met with a load of buck shot. Thieves are thieves, and these thieving filth have less excuse than most.

    Guns and pasta tools are both tools, and we can argue that my tools aren't reasonable, just as many people argue gun owners' tools aren't reasonable. It doesn't matter. Gun owners own their guns, I own my ridiculous collection of pasta making accesories. People can laugh and point, roll their eyes and call pasta mavens and gun owners total loons, but we still have property rights. Further, my pasta tools are more deadly than most of those killer hammers. Darned heavy they are, and very awkward. Misused, they could be deadly. There are many, many more tools that are currently being misused to death at a far greater rate than guns are. These tools that are resulting in such high death tolls are different from guns in one vital way: they pose no threat to the state's monopoly on violence.


    The gun grabbing isn't about saving lives, it's about stealing property and depriving citizens of their ability to defend themselves against crime. Given that our federal legislative and executive branch are actively planning to steal from us, we know they are criminals. If they succeed in depriving us of our ability to defend ourselves from themselves and other criminals, they will not limit themselves to merely stealing property from us once they have cornered the market on firearms.

    Nobody in their right mind gives known criminal conspirators a monopoly on violence. That's suicide.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    1. Yup.

    A lot of misdemeanors are violent crimes. Needs to more specific.

    Bad check writers? Ok to keep guns (unless purchased w/ bad check :D)

    Battery? No guns for you.

    Felons I don't care about. If they can't be trusted to vote, they surely can't be trusted with weapons.

    But frankly, we have adequate laws that make it illegal for criminals to have guns. We really don't need any more.
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    At the end of the day, we've long known that murder rates depend on certain socio-economic factors. Gun control is irrelevant.

    If all the money that was squandered on Vietnam, the War on Terror & possibly the Cold War had been invested in education and equality*, where would be today?

    Seriously, the Vietnam War bankrupted what JFK & esp. LBJ had planned mostly before it ever got off the round.


    *Not sure government can do that effectively on a large scale. If you throw too much money at dumb people, you end up with a permanently dependent class of lazy dumb people.
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Maybe we can just quietly reverse-tap their threads.
     
  14. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    It used to be that were pretty much the only felonies on the books. Way too many things are felonies these days that should be misdemeanors, summary offenses, or even no offense at all. I should not be facing 10 years and loss of guns/vote for cunnilingus, but that's the law in WV.
     
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  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Need to be same sex, then it would be ok in todays f u world.
     
  16. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    So, essentially any gun law is unreasonable in your mind.
     
  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Pretty funny. First of all -- Fox News. And according to the article, the number of people killed is for rifles only, not all guns. I'm assuming the hammer deaths are for all hammers, not just specific kinds of hammers, but who knows.

    Did I ever tell you guys my great Fox News story?

    I was at the gym, running on the treadmill, hating it, and the tv in my area was playing Fox News. It was the day that Jack Abramoff pleaded guilty to some number counts of corruption. The Fox headline on the bottom of the tv screen read 'Abramoff Innocent!' - with the exclamation point. I was confused because I thought I had heard that he was guilty.

    After my workout as I was driving home I heard on the news that Abramoff was innocent of one of the counts, but guilty of the others. All I could do was laugh.

    So yeah, I always take anything Fox says with some large grains of salt.
     
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Yeah, but they're kicking CNN's butt, and Dewey really did win.

    I have to play silly mind games to keep going on a treadmill, convert time left to %, look at the distance & picture where I'd be if I were jogging at my cabin, etc. When you think about it, it's really dumb to jump on a rubber tread and run when it's not going anywhere, yet we do. :rolleyes:
     
  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Ummm I have been to calls where 20+ people were beaten with blunt objects in the space of a couple of mins by one assailant. Object used was a titianium crowbar (so equivlant weight of a normal hammer). Incident was ultimately stopped by a CHL holder who drew down and forced the attacker to drop the weapon and get on the ground. Never made the news just like this incident two days after sandy hook because it didn't fit the liberal medias anti gun agenda.
     
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  20. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    If you can't be trusted with a gun, why are you outside the walls?
     
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