Homeland Security monitors journalists

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Fisher1949, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    This is disturbing.

    Freedom of speech might allow journalists to get away with a lot in America, but the Department of Homeland Security is on the ready to make sure that the government is keeping dibs on who is saying what.

    I'm stunned that DHS is pursuing the same agenda of civilian subjugation that the Nazis, Soviets and other repressive regimes have followed and the mainstream media remains virtually silent.

    DHS now has them in the crosshairs and they're still oblivious. These fools will probably argue that its okay so long as DHS is "keeping them safe".

    http://rt.com/usa/news/homeland-security-journalists-monitoring-321/
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We have replicated the Stasi. There is no other reasonable conclusion.

    I hope they have an entire floor dedicated to TUG. If they don't, we need to work harder.
     
  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    True. And "them" is also us:
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We should find out where their data center is located. When it's time to burn the Bastille, it helps to have the firebrands delivered to the right address.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This is our childrens' and our grandchildren's future, not today, probably not in ten years, but certainly in 20, 30, maybe 40 years:

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    Stürmung Stasi-Zentrale​
    (Storming of Stasi Headquarters)​

    East Germans invading the Stasi headquarters on January 16, 1990​

    History repeats itself. It will happen here, too. It has already started.​

    What's fascinating are the smiles on those people's faces as they are on the verge of trashing the Stasi HQ. :) It's the look of joy after 57 years of repression.​

    My guess is that DHS will have a 10-20 year run before the citizenry shuts them down much as in the above photo. Lacking an outside oppressor such as the Soviet Union, it should run its course a bit faster here.​
     
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Doesn't surprise me in the least. I've had enough of the vaunted journo class tell me I'm "shrill," "hyperbolic," "lunatic" for paying attention to these issues. They're just as much sheeple as most of the population. Just as happy to bend over and spread 'em any time an authority figure commands it. Other than a few aware reporters out there -- and there are some (Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, James Fallows, Daniel Rubin, Mark Thompson, to name a few) -- they're worthless.

    It will be amusing to see them start to squawk when the guns (metaphorical guns, people) are finally turned on them. "Oh, oh, oh! How did this happen?! O woe is me!"

    As for data centers, there are so many of them. They're all over the country. And DHS is spending millions (billions?) on a brand new behemoth in the Washington, DC area. I have the article in my files somewhere; when I dig it up, I'll post it here.
     
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  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I've been mulling an idea for the last couple of weeks. Just as good to post it here as anywhere.

    Showtime just finished airing the first season of an excellent show called Homeland. In a nutshell, 2 American POWs were "turned" in favor of al Qaeda and the first season follows their progression towards a plot to take out the (fictional) VP and his future (fictional) cabinet as they get ready to announce his (fictional) run for the Presidency. The interesting twist is that this (fictional) VP and the (fictional) head of the CIA as well as the (fictional) Secretary of Defense coordinated and carried out a drone attack on a school they believe acted as cover for the (fictional) terrorist cell leader, killing instead 82 children (fictionally).

    The story arc that I find most interesting is that of Carrie Mathison, played by Claire Danes, who is a (fictional) CIA counter terrorism analyst. The main point here is that she has no boundaries. None. She puts surveillance in one of the POWs homes, monitoring his family without a warrant on a hunch. Every single road she goes down turns out to be wrong. At any cost, at any cost, she is trying to thwart an "attack" on the US, which the show's point is that if the US wasn't in all of these other countries blowing up children, wouldn't be necessary.

    It reminds me a lot of these (real-life) DHS types. Just look at stories like this one (excellent find, BTW) and how they act at the airport, and now on trains and roads near you. These people have no boundaries. They feel justified to do anything, anything, because there might be something bad happening.

    The Constitution expected situations just like this one. It's so simple, so elegant, and yet so appropriate even in our time. The Founders knew that people like this would get into positions of power. They were meant to be restrained by things like the First Amendment, the Fourth, the Fifth, and others. And yet, they do everything they can to carve out little exceptions for themselves and intrude on our lives, our bodies, even our thoughts. Many of the people at DHS are literally power crazed, mentally unhinged, and dangerous. In a way I'm glad they're finally ramping this stuff up, because then, and only then, will its abrupt end come sooner. And not soon enough, I say.

    Just watching these fools in action, it's so painfully obvious how stupid and incompetent they are, I'm honestly not too worried. I think they'll be so inundated and overwhelmed by information, they simply won't know what to do.
     
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  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I agree completely!
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Found it:

    Etc. Go over to read the whole thing. Lots of money involved. Wish I could memorize all the numbers.
     
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, this is already a problem, was before 9/11, and has only gotten worse. As you say, these fools are collecting everything but the kitchen sink through all their snooping, wiretapping, surveillance, monitoring of scary sites like this one, and their odious "fusion centers." They can't keep up with all the info as it is; and instead of doing the logical thing like amassing less of it, and paying attention to what they should be monitoring, they're just doubling down and amassing more and more and more. These people think they're living in a spy novel.

    (And yes I know there are "bad people out there who want to hurt us" -- god, if I had a nickel for every time that shibboleth was trotted out by some sanctimonious, condescending know-it-all . . . . No kidding there are "bad people out there who want to hurt us." But stripping, groping, and irradiating us at the airport, searching our cars and tossing our homes, questioning us with voodoo "experts," and otherwise shredding every semblance of a civil liberty isn't doing a goddamn thing to make us any safer. It is, however, pissing off rational people, both here and all over the world. So congratulations, goons. Way to win those hearts and minds.)
     
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  11. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Lisa said: Doesn't surprise me in the least. I've had enough of the vaunted journo class tell me I'm "shrill," "hyperbolic," "lunatic" for paying attention to these issues. They're just as much sheeple as most of the population. Just as happy to bend over and spread 'em any time an authority figure commands it. Other than a few aware reporters out there -- and there are some (Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, James Fallows, Daniel Rubin, Mark Thompson, to name a few) -- they're worthless.

    I recall reading Churchill's biography and Chamberlain and the Brits essentially said the same about him in the late 1930's as he warned of the rise of Nazi Germany. When the blitz started suddenly he wasn't crazy, they thought he was brilliant. Obviously he was right all along.

    So really they're comparing you to Churchill instead of Chamberlain. Seems to me that's a compliment, they just don't know it yet.
     
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    ^
     
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  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Won't need to. They just pass SOPA and voila, nobody sees TUG again. Then, way down the road after power is solidified, you can address individuals.
    If the security apparatus is really plugged into what people are thinking or saying, with an unemployment rate > 22% (numbers from www. shadowstats.com using the US BER methodologies of a few years ago, not the methods since used to obfuscate), with a federal government intent on destroying the Constitution, what do you suppose they are hearing? Maybe nothing and *that* disturbs them...
     

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