HOW many people did TSA kill today?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RosemaryT, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. RosemaryT

    RosemaryT Original Member

    At least 900 for the first quarter of 2012.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...U.S.-traffic-deaths-jump-13.5-percent-in-2012

    Traffic fatalities are way, way up for the first quarter in 2012. In fact, this represents a 13% jump, or the LARGEST jump since NHTSA started tracking such things.

    Analysts believe that the reason for the jump in traffic fatalities is simple: MORE people on the roads instead of in the air.

    And this is during a RECESSION???

    Were it not for the recession, these numbers would probably be even higher.

    IMHO, this is incredibly damning evidence of the harm being inflicted on SOCIETY by the presence of this overweening, overreaching, bloated bureaucracy.

    Rose
     
  2. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The majority of TSA types participating on various forums come across as not credible and totally out of touch with real world issues, many caused by TSA.
     
  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    :mad: :mad: :mad: I have got to the point where while I would love to make a comment, I won't on any page that uses FB for comments, unless I'm one of the first few commenters.

    Not only in a recession, Rosemary, but at a time when gas prices were at their height!

    (BTW, have you all noticed prices creeping up again? Our local station, which is high anyway and where I won't buy gas, has gone from $3.33 to $3.55 in two weeks. As well, 2-tier pricing is creeping back.)
     
  5. MaximumSisu

    MaximumSisu Requiescat in Pace

    The NHTSA analysts spend their time speculating on why more miles are being driven, but I want to see the analysis on why the fatality rate per 100 million miles is also rising. There is obviously a contribution due to simply more vehicles on the road to run afoul of, however I would postulate that a larger percentage is due to increasingly inexperienced or diminished capacity drivers, in addition to an increase in multiple-fatality accidents. Now correlate with groups who are giving up on flying, and what do you get?
     
  6. RosemaryT

    RosemaryT Original Member

    I wish there was a way to isolate the statistics in a way that reflect how many people are dying each year specifically because they opted not to fly - DUE wholly to the TSA. If you could prove - using specific empirical evidence - that 127 people are dying each month because of the ham-handed warrant-less, sexually abusive searches conducted by the TSA, THAT would make a powerful case.

    Their existence is (in theory) to protect our lives and keep us safe. Wouldn't it be swell if we could prove that their existence is killing X number of people?

    Which - IMHO - these stats bear that out to some degree, but there are a lot of variables here.
     
  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Cornell did a couple of studies that showed that road deaths would increase due to people avoiding air travel and the TSA and choosing instead to travel by car.

    Here's one report, but I think there's a more recent one:

    http://dyson.cornell.edu/faculty_sites/gb78/wp/JLE_6301.pdf

    Here's a snyopsis of a report from the Rand Corporation:

    http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.25.4.223

    If we had some good numbers on the drop in the number of people traveling by air and the increase in automobile travel, together with the increased death rate, that could go a long way toward proving the TSA is, in fact, killing people.
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There is no "other place". :cool:

    We hashed that very subject out here with none other than Bart, who got so upset with the subject that he packed up his toys & left.
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That stuck out like a sore thumb to me, too.

    Obviously it's not just a matter of more deaths due to more miles driven.

    Business travelers are often "driven" to work long days; perhaps there is more driving by already exhausted business travelers? More research to clarify that part of the increase is certainly needed.
     
  10. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Well of course especially now since it's tripping every AV program on my personal and work computer.

    Cupcake took his ball and ran like a little bitch after he found being a insensitive prick could really cause him trouble, by someone who could track him down and come after his (expletive deleted). All talk and no balls is what Bart was.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Now, now, ...

    We prefer to view our TSA friends as inexpensive entertainment, at least until they flame out.
     
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Oh he was; it was my partner that day who was ready to throw down that was "a challenge" till he cooled down. To this day I'd still like to know what he did that week after that shift. He only smilies and acts like he's pulling a feather out of his mouth. Which is truly scary considering his background and skills/abilities.
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Depends on your view of "inexpensive." Since the TSA is fueled by treating individual rights as a consumable, I consider them to be the opposite of "cost-effective."
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Isn't that pretty much true of every last TSA employee? No balls, no conscience, no sense of decency...
     
  15. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Which is why they don't even get common courtesy as they have abused that. As far as I'm concerned all 60K totally stupid assholes could commit public Harry kari or blow there brains out and I wouldn't have any sympathy for them. If they want sympathy they can look in the dictionary between :trash: & syphilis as I could care less.
     

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