Huffington Post: Gay Couple Sues Airline For Removing Dildo From Their Luggage And Taping It ...

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Frank

    Frank Original Member

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  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I hope that there is some means of investigating this and discovering the guilty party (due to the dates, it may be more difficult). If that is possible, I hope that they file charges against the person(s) responsible, and hold them liable civilly as well. My preference (of course), would be that it turns out to not be a TSA employee - however, if they are able to find out the responsible party, then they should be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as well as being subjected to civil liability. This is absolutely not acceptable in any way shape or form.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Who has the tools to peer inside a bag and see something? TSA
    Who has a history of these types of abuses? TSA
     
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  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Who has no shortage of employees with a sickening lack of social and ethical boundaries? TSA
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Out of all the hundreds of bags that baggage handlers will move in a day they just happen to pick the one with a sex toy. Yet TSA Baggage Screeners who can see inside bags, open the bags and apparently can do so without any supervision should be given the benefit of doubt.

    I don't fricken think so. TSA has not earned the benefit of doubt based on past incidents.

    If I was an investigator TSA screeners would be first on my list of suspects.
     
  6. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    If I were an investigator, I would follow wherever the evidence led me, regardless of the end destination. I would also probably start with the video if it is still available (although I would not be surprised if it has been deleted by now).
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    When investigating a crime is not opportunity one of the primary things to consider?
     
  8. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    It is, but given the nature of this case, many people (that have been cleared for access to the area) come in contact with the bags, so anyone working in that area (to include TSA, the ramp workers and fuelers and any other assorted cleared employees in that zone) have an almost equal level of opportunity. Motive is also something to be considered, as is means. Without any physical evidence to indicate one way ot the other, you always start at the beginning and follow the evidence that you can find. Then you start branching out for interviews and such. If you get lucky, you find video of person A doing the whole act and you have them cold, barring that, it gets murky and infinitely more difficult.
     
  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Just wanted to add to the discussion here. Some additional data points in the story definitely muddy the waters.

    Over at a.net, someone posted additional sources for this story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Borger-sue-United-Continental-airlines.html

    http://www.queerty.com/mortified-gay-couple-sues-airline-for-putting-sex-toy-on-display-20120828/

    Each contains what appears to be a picture of the actual bag, and the circumstances (NSFW). Based on that picture, I would say that the HuffPo headline is misleading. I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

    I posted the second link because it contains the email from one of the victims to a friend. According to the email, the bag was wrapped in Continental tape, which would implicate the airline doing a poor job of wrapping a burst bag. However, the tape in the picture looks like clear, regular old tape to me.

    I still implicate TSA in this one for the variety of reasons already discussed.

    I understand it is in rugape's financial interest to believe, and argue otherwise. Fair enough.
     
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  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Dunno. RB has it right, and the observations of Barbell, also, on how the rampers operate. This is not really a case of gee, who could it be....

    If you were a smart investigator, you'd start with the most likely suspects first. Eg, if a woman reports that she woke up to find her husband stabbed to death next to her, you'd probably focus on that woman first, and not dragnet in people who happened to purchase knives in that locale within the last several weeks.

    [add correction]
    just saw Barbell's latest post. this indeed muddies the waters. If the issue is with a burst bag, it could have been anyone. The earlier news stories, as usual, neglected this key fact...
     
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  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Actually, I want to find the truth in this matter, if it indeed comes back on a TSA employee, then they should be removed and prosecuted just as quickly and vehemently as a non-TSA employee.
     
  12. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    IOW, there is an untold variety of people in the airport's "secured" area with unfettered, unsupervised, free access to bags, aircraft, cargo, mail, and other things in which something could be placed that would make a plane go, you know, "boom!"

    I know I feel safer learning that TSA has no control over what goes into, or out of, baggage.
     
  13. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    In spite of your repeated, "Golly, gee we don't have enough evidence so I see no reason to implicate TSA in this" protestations, I agree that we should look for evidence.

    Circumstantial evidence, of which TSA usually solely relies, is clear that TSA does just this sort of thing, and there's no reason to believe they shouldn't be the first to be investigated in this matter.
     
  14. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    In that case you have a particular person that was on that scene and you have a reasonable start point. In this case, you have a bag that has been through a minimum of 2 airports, and handled by TSA at least once, and baggage crews at least twice. Barring any physical evidence or statements identifying a specific person(s), you start at the beginning. That way you run less chance of missing something important. One of the best investigators I have ever known (his nickname was "the bulldog") always said even if you have the person, know it is the person and have tons of evidence on that person - start at the beginning. He closed more cases than anyone else I have ever even heard of, he was also a bur for most of his partners because he was a bit slower and more methodical than some of the flashier investigators.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Except we all know that's simply not going to happen. ESPECIALLY if it's a TSA employee.
     
  16. Thanks for looking further into, barbell... I have to agree, it is now not so clear who is the likely culprit.
     
  17. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Gee this makes me feel safe. :rolleyes:
    The maturity level rivals those of silly teenager with too much time on their hands. next should we expect feminate pads smeared with ketchup taped to outside of women's luggages?

    My friends, who were Delta baggage handlers, said that with the budget cuts and their work forces cut off, they wouldn't have time to pull off this kind of stunt. Also, they felt that sex toys aren't really that exotic for them to bother with. Thirdly they wouldn't risk doing something like this because another coworker would see them and tattle-not worth their job.
     
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not to mention - baggage handlers do an honest job.

    TSA employees do not.
     

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