I guess the Boy Scouts must have been booked

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  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

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    For this we pay security fees? Let the workforce reduction begin!
     
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  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Oh, please, somebody in that area get a picture of the "honor guard".....how sad.
     
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  3. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Most Honor Guards are done off duty for events like this. I can't say with certainty that these guys will be off duty and not paid, but most of them are volunteers groups that don't get paid.
     
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    No telling whose blood will boil over on any given day.
    Both of my cross-street neighbors are honor guards, real honor guards--American Legion WWII-era vets who served on primitive submarines and saw horrific Pacific theater respectively.
    TSA personnel in their costumes are an insult to "honor" and to "guard." I say to them, "If you have any honor, stay home, please."
     
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  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    And I say that some of the folks in those uniforms have served as well, in more than one capacity. Many of our employees are American Legion members, Lodge members, Shriners, and any number of other social, civic and military groups. Your version of honor applies to you, their version of honor applies to them. We all have our individual and sometimes collective codes of honor, to expect all other people on this rock to live specifically by your code of honor is just wrong. I say that if they wish to honor folks that they deem important or worthy of that honor, then go for it. Many of the employees at TSA are former (or currently in the reserves) military members from all branches, many of those members are on their local version of an honor guard that are living by their respective codes of honor.
     
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Then let then wear those other real uniforms on their own time. I'll take the Boy Scouts over the TSA any day.
     
  7. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    And that is entirely your choice to make. I tend to think highly of folks that will go out on their own time and pay homage to things like this, and other folks that deserve it. To each their own.
     
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  8. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The TSA drill team does not bother me, and if more people want to have pride in their work at TSA, well that is probably a step in the right direction.
     
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  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    As I think I made abundantly clear, I think highly of (real) honor guards paying homage to "things like this" also-- just not TSA aping law enforcement or the military (or the boy scouts) as they do it.
    I guess this means "their version" of honor is the honor that belongs to them? Yes, I'd say I do have a different "version" of honor-- I think we owe the TSA gratitude for nothing, exactly for the reasons enumerated on this site.
    While this thread was started as a bit of a joke, because of their lack of fitness and bedraggled appearance, it seems the smurf feelings are hurt--that they really want our respect, in fact they believe they deserve it, for keeping American safe in "their own" way. The TSA honor guard is no less than an attempt to wrap themselves in the same cloth, somehow by extension, as FDNY. Amazing. And way more offensive. God, Mom, and the TSA. :td:
    Yes, and I must be unpatriotic if I don't get teary-eyed at their service too.
    This must be the pep talk the TSOs get, to psyche themselves up into violating fellow citizens, that they have "answered the call to service." People answered that call alright, but TSA does not belong on the stage.
     
  10. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Well, perhaps, but thinking is that pragmatically if the people feel better about their work, they'll do better at their work.
     
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  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Make me puke. Bad enough to have pretend police showing off, but getting off on their own importance as members of a fighting/defending force?? Save the pride for real security. Give me a break, CP.
    Let them celebrate themselves in private--Hey, they can even hand out rewards for good work with gifts of our stolen+surrendered property!
     
  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I'm just givin' my side on this one little thing you know I how I feel about this agcncy.
     
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  13. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Self-esteem is one thing, expecting honor and obedience from citizens who are not your subordinates is quite another. The looks of the guard are comical. But 'pizza box' recruits attaching themselves to 9/11 tributes turns my stomach. Not unexpected, I suppose. This is the stazi kool-aid: they "answered the call" and thus have rights superior to the traveler.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's just another attempt to lend a false legitimacy to the organization by imitating real police & real military.
     
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  15. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I'm the kind of guy that gets annoyed at people during public events that don't at least stop what they're doing for a few moments while the National Anthem is being played, much less take their hat off. Seeing a flag displayed improperly bothers me as well.

    If a TSA employee wants to participate in ceremonies on their own time that's fine with me. However, their employer has made the conscious decision to attire them in a policeman's costume with badge. Another conscious decision was made by the TSA to further adorn the costume with lanyards, ascots, berets, etc. in a brazen effort to trade in on the respect that that the public has for law enforcement professionals and those that served in the military.

    Why can't TSA employees that wish to participate in a Color Guard wear dress slacks, white shirt with red tie, and blazer with a TSA logo on the pocket? Veterans or Reservists would have the option of wearing a service cap similar to what VFW members wear, if they desire to do so. This would give them a polished, uniform appearance, without trying to be something they are not.

    Also, this would help eliminate the whackers, a disturbing subculture recognized by LEOs and first responders as wannabees that want to join their ranks for no other reason than to wear an official-looking uniform.
     
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  16. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The only thing I have left to say in this thread is... Wow, and I get accused of drinking the koolaid. I merely presented a different viewpoint, disagreed and went to move on. Since then, not only have I been referenced as a Nazi in this thread, it has been implied that I am a pretend police officer, someone that demands honor and obedience and respect from the folks transiting the checkpoint, and also as attempting to align myself with NYFD because I am just like them... Just wow.

    Oh, make sure you take another couple of swipes at CartoonPeril for voicing a differing viewpoint as well, even though they are a voice that is normally on your side against TSA. :rolleyes:

    A screed serves nothing but the person making it, thoughtful discussion serves to make both sides understand the issue better and move towards meaningful change. Disagreeing with me about honor guards and their purpose or uniform is one thing, being nasty ended this thread for me. Have a nice day.
     
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  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Expecting Americans to honor TSA employees, who have carried out sexual assaults on passengers, is nasty. Excuse my vitriol having been on the receiving end myself.
     
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There are several members of TUG who were sexually abused or raped in the past and now find themselves reliving those experience when they are groped by TSA. You'll just have to excuse them if the fail to find any "honor" in TSA.

    An honor guard represents the military, who fight wars to protect our freedoms, and law enforcement officers who (subject to constitutional limitations) put their lives on the line daily to protect us.

    There is no "honor" for those who (in clear disregard of constitutional limitations and often stating that the Constitution doesn't apply at a TSA checkpoint) grope us at the airports and in train stations.
     
  19. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Sigh, if only there were a dislike button on here.
     
  20. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Ah, well, this whole issue isn't worth a lot of concern over by anyone in my view. To me there are much more serious issues left, and I would encourage you to keep posting, as you have already contributed much to the discussion.

    For me, I have always said that there can be no legal or moral objection to effective security on aircraft and at airports. Now, I think that principle establishes quite a lot of common ground. My objections to TSA's current regime are that they are not effective, and that they extending beyond the airport and aircraft.
     
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