"I never would have made the call."

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I wish people would get it through their thick skulls that calling police is almost always a bad idea.

    Today I've read 2 stories in which citizens express chagrine at having called police. They realize calling the police was a big, big, mistake.

    I trip over this kind of story every week, and if I went looking I bet I could find one a day.

    Don't call the police. They are trouble. Don't call them.
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I think the tactics need to be rethought. I think the fundamental attitude toward people needs to be rethought. Especially when it is the police who are escalating in so many of these cases. They are not acting as if they were of us, but over us. And I think the personality chosen for this job needs to be changed. Quite honestly, in this day and age of cell phone cameras and web, EVERYONE is going to get a good look at police tactics and attitudes, and they will not survive the scrutiny.
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  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Here are my problems with the incident:

    1. I hope that my daughter and my friends would enjoy the occasional evening in at one of their apartments, drinking alcohol, getting a bit boisterous and generally celebrating being young and happy together in the United States, where it is legal to drink and be tipsy in the privacy of your own home or as an invited guest at a private home.

    2. I hope that if a large, aggressive adult male showed up at the home wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the word "POLICE" and tried to force his way into the house, the young women would deny him entry and call 911. After all, someone like that could be a very, very dangerous criminal. The behavior IS criminal, police officer or not. He refused to identify himself as an officer in any legitimate fashion. His behavior made him suspect. The young woman would have been dumb, dumb, dumb, dumber than stumps to let him in the door. Calling 911 really was the right thing to do.

    3. I further hope that if my daughter and her young adult friends call the police for help dealing with a dangerous, violent criminal trying to physically force his way into one of their homes, the call they make to 911 receives an appropriate response from professional LAW ENFORCEMENT Officers.

    Too bad the "officers" who responded were not real Law Enforcement Officers. They were simply members of the United States most deadly street gang, (expletive deleted) bent on punishing the "mundanes" for supposedly "disrespecting" their "colors." Their "colors" apparently no longer consist of their uniforms or badges, but now include t-shirts emblazoned with the word "POLICE" accessorized with aggression and civil rights violations. Who knew?

    4. I further hope that the professional LAW ENFORCEMENT Officers would take the dangerous criminal trying to force his way onto private property into custody and issue the young citizens a citation for their noise violation.

    I would be deeply disappointed and raise a serious stink if the "Officers" illegally "ordered" the young woman to leave the safety of the private home where they were invited guests. The young ladies did not belong on the streets or in their cars in their condition. Further, they had a perfect right to be where they were. The officers did not have a right to enter the home uninvited to terrorize and recklessly endanger the guests or the homeowner.

    It's perfectly legal to be foolish in the U.S., within certain bounds. The young women in this case appear to have been acting within those boundaries, except that they may have gotten too loud. The "officers" in this case did not act within legal bounds. Their behavior went far beyond silly and should be dealt with severely.

    I want my children to enter young adulthood in a decent nation such as the one I lived in when I was young and occassionally foolish. Never once was I abused by Police the way these young women were. I don't expect my children to be abused like this either. If they are then there will be (expletive deleted) to pay in the next local elections. I will not stand for it.
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    A stamping heel to the top of a flip-flopped foot will remove it from the door very quickly.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or just slam the door on it.
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  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Which goes to show just how decent and kind the young ladies were. He was a threatening, belligerent man attempting to force his way into their apartment. They showed remarkable restraint.
  7. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    So will a full spread of buckshot to the face.
  8. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    They seem to be surviving just fine. Just look at College Park, MD. Six cops should be in jail. Only two were charged, one was convicted of one charge and will be sentenced to time served. He won't even be barred from police work because it's a misdemeanor.
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    people *are* waking up. very slowly, more slowly than we'd like, but it is happening. The truncheons are coming down on more and more heads, and there's gonna be more and more videos.
    we're in this mess together. The authorities need to recognize this and re-connect with the people. The repression by force that is currently being attempted all over this country has never succeeded anywhere, and it will not succeed here.
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member


    "Officers" murdered suicidal teenage boy whose parents foolishly called them for help.
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    pretty damn sad. a suicidal youngster and the stupid cops down there can't wait to kill him. They have no empathy whatsoever. Tell me what category of human lacks sympathy and empathy (AFAIK, only sociopaths and psychopaths) and then reflect on what this means for us that this kind of human is riding around in squad cars.
  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    All week I've been wondering, "Who put the psychopaths in charge, and why do we have so many sociopaths on the public payroll?" I can't get over how profoundly evil our government has become. The evil permeates everything. It makes my skin crawl.

    This is another topic and deserves another thread, but WTF? Tell me this ME isn't a seriously twisted sack of garbage?


    How about this Mormon "Bishop"?


    Where are we going as a society? What has gone wrong? I truly don't understand.
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    if you look at the personalities who acquire power in totalitarian states, whether socialist or national socialist, they have a common profile. They are willing to impose their will by force. And that is what rises to run and occupy other positions that direct/control activities within the state.

    The US is turning into a totalitarian state. Look at the reaction of Pistole and Napolitano when the furor developed over their strip searches and sex organ groping. "It's good for them" [in "our" opinion] "they'll get used to it". The police have seen themselves as the "thin blue line" against a sea of criminality in the past. Now, in these times, they see us each and every one of us as on the wrong side of that blue line. Unless of course proven otherwise and personally known to them.
  14. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Reluctantly, I'm forced to agree. I'm a bit dazed by all this. I've begun studying up on totalitarian states. The more that goes wrong, the more I realize that we all need some inkling of what to expect. The behavior of Psychopaths and Sociopaths doesn't follow the same pattern of normal behavior, and a Totalitarian State doesn't make sense to normal people either. We have to study these personalities and entities, so that we can anticipate their next move. Their "thought" isn't anything like ours. We may as well think of it as an alien invasion, their "thought processes" are that foreign to the rest of us.

    PS: I meant this


    Mormon Bishop, but I forgot to link. Sorry.
  15. I spent some time in Ukraine in the late nineties. There was still a lingering Soviet vibe there at the time. We discussed a lot about what to do if you were in trouble or some kind of an emergency. One thing you very much did not do was call or approach the police. In the view of the locals, that was about the worst thing you could do.

    At the time, I was shocked by this idea. Of course you call the police in an emergency! Now we've become like a Soviet country, where you really really shouldn't.
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  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Landlord foolishly calls police to report drug stash in walls of his rental property. Both he and his wife are arrested.


  17. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    This will end up being a lawsuit, and a major pay out.
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  18. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I don't understand why police and prosecutors don't see these law suits coming a mile off. It's not just wrong to prosecute people for calling the police for help, it's wasteful of taxpayers' money to make the municipality vulnerable to litigation in this manner.
  19. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    It's arrogance, plain and simple. This is what happens when you hand people of below-average intelligence a patent of nobility and a gun.

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