ID scanners = "intelligence-driven passenger screening"?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

  2. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    :) I think mine has that too.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  4. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I was in a meeting a few years ago where Chris Paget demoed his ability to read chips in various cards. It was pretty impressive. Scary too.

    And while we're on the subject, California state senator Joe Simitian wanted to know just how easy it is or isn't to hack cards so he hired a security expert to hack into restricted access doors to the state capitol. Here's the report. Have a peek, it's short.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Of course they use the magic "T" word! And keep adding more and more -- fingerprints, iris scans, god knows what next -- on top of the RFID. As Bruce Schneier wrote long, long ago, way before the TSA's Reign of Molestation, every new security procedure brings it with it new ways to get around it, and more and more intrusive procedures to try to counter those ways. In the end, most of them fail. Will find article and post; I have a hard copy, just have to find on-line.

    Okay, this isn't it, this is more recent, but relevant:
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Here it is, from 2002, in The Atlantic Monthly, cover story called Homeland Insecurity:
  7. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    From the McPaper:

    We could have a lot of fun with this, such as:

    1. Take forever to make the scanner work -- mash and crumble your BP several times over
    2. As a follow-on to #1, tell the clerk that you never use the self-checkout at Home Depot because you can never get the scanner to work

    When you're done, make sure you've really smeared the lens with skin oil.

    Like National Opt-out Day, this is an opportunity to gum up the works and do our part to make sure the lines are noticeably longer.
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Posted above in post #12: Passport RFIDs cloned wholesale by $250 eBay auction spree: Video demo shows you how

    So what happens if you're standing in front of one of their new-fangled ID scanners & it picks up some extra transmissions? Sew a couple RFID chips into your clothing, drop one or two into your purse & each pocket of your carryon. At some point it should be possible to overload the machine or operator with too much data, depending on how powerful & how directional its signal is.

    If you're from a state that has the new "enhanced drivers licenses" (just NY & WA, I think) and have both styles of IDs, exchange IDs with RFID chips with your travel partner & keep them in your backpacks or purses, offer the ID checker the non-RFID documents & see if the new-fangled ID machine picks up on the other one that you're carrying.

    I don't see how they can make it illegal to carry bogus RFID chips -- they are already in merchandise both for inventory tracking & anti-theft purposes and even pets are now routinely chipped.
  9. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    You think they'd harasses me with more scrutiny if I carried my stuff in those wallets that prevented them from harvesting my info?
  10. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Absolutely! They harass people for no apparent reason, so what makes you think you would escape harassment for trying to "shield your identity?"
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  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I believe I just mangled a post by Sunny Goth, probably by clicking "Edit" instead of "Reply". The result was a post that appeared to be by Sunny that wasn't hers at all, and there wasn't enough left of the original to restore anything. Sorry, coaches screw up sometimes.

    The point I was answering was that yes, the screeners would have to notice and say something about the extra RFID chip, but they might get REALLY excited about it if they think you might be their big catch of the day.
  12. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Ha! Not to worry, I've done that very same thing myself.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Some media outlets are misstating this as not having to deal with a smurf checking IDs, e.g. WEAR TV and The Consumerist.

    As I understand it, the passenger will scan his boarding pass, the smurf will scan the ID, and presumably the smurf will ascertain that you bear some resemblance to the photo on the ID. If the smurf still makes squiggles on your boarding passes, there's no net gain, except that perhaps the machine will recognize the Passport Cards that seem to be beyond the cognition of so many smurves.
  14. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I'm merely a simpleton for seeing this as another step of brokeness to fix something already broken, but the people behind it are so stubbornly in denial they create and pile on more and more broken to overly break this brokeness.

    what? That was a whole lot of crap that barely makes any sense? Exactly. Let's add another layer of the same and hope for something different.
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