Impact of TSA on travel

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Buried in this article ...

    Chicago Tribune: Our daily 9/11 reminder

    is this little piece of information:

    In case you missed it: 41,000,000 million trips not flown in a single year

    Also notes that "overall business travel has been down 21 percent from 2000 to 2010". Business travel is the bread & butter for airlines because they charge more for close-in ticket purchases.
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    God, I'm so glad to hear this.
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I suspect the following pattern:
    1) Show up two hours early for an airplane. 30 minute flight to to city 300 miles away. 30 minutes to get baggage and exit terminal.
    2) Drive car for 3.0 hours on freeway, cover 200 miles. Still 1.5 hours away from destination, but no need to rent car, etc.
    3) Add another hour at airport, and the car trip is only 30 minutes behind.
  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    ...and the car trip is generally far pleasanter.
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  5. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    It's absurd anyway to be taking an airplane on a 300 mile trip. Automobile travel has its downsides -- it is very dangerous. A solution would be rail travel, but our country let the passenger rail system go to (expletive deleted).
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Don't know where I posted it yesterday, but there was an article linked to in which the airlines finally admitted, IMO for the first time, that the TSA is causing them to loose customers. I didn't post the article, someone else did but I pointed out the reference to airlines losing passengers.
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think Mike also posted something about this. I know I read an article somewhere yesterday about it. So much info -- it's all hard to keep track of.
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Yes, it probably was in response to one of the many greats posts and links that Mike has put up over the last few days.
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  9. snapstoo

    snapstoo Original Member

    Thanks for doing this Mike. :)

    Good articles.
  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well, except for like us when it's free. And now we drive almost everywhere we can, too.
  11. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    My old standard for flying verse driving was about 300 miles/6 hours, now its closer to 750 miles (even at $3.50 a gallon in gas)/ 12 hours or anything in the state of Texas outside of that i will have to think long and hard if i want to fly or not. Plus the new car Im getting at the end of the year will mean i have all the comforts of first class at hand without any of the hassle

    Even though i have status on the airline I still weigh weather it is worth it or not. The only complicating factor in that is with the change in AA lifetime program im pushing extra hard to hit that mark so i dont have to worry about status and the benefits in the future as before any major positive changes its going to get much worse.
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    If by that you mean what's going on in the country, sadly, I think you're right.
  13. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    AND you can take as much liquid with you as you want.

    Though, in these cases I usually prefer to take my shoes off, but that's the hillbilly in me. Mrs. Barbell hates it.
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  14. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Yes and thats what the cooler in the trunk or in the footwell behind me is for as in a average day (not the 110 deg texas scorchers lately) ill drink a gallon of water without batting a eyelash even if just sitting doing nothing. This summer is a different story and the average has been pushing 2 gallons of water and 2-3 qts of electrolyte replacer.

    If im not at work where I wear boots for protection, Im in keens sandals with no socks the rest of the time.
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not everyone has 4-6 hours (sometime longer) to drive each way. That would turn a business meeting into a 2-3 day trip.

    When our contractors are on planes, they're billing. If they drive, they'll still be billing by the hour.
  16. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    Passenger rail is far too expensive outside extremely limited areas. Amtrak runs one profitable line: Boston to DC. Most metro rail and subway systems lose big money. Why pour in even more money when the people have voted with their wallets and said either fast or private?

    A train is all the slowness of a car combined with all the nuisance of public transportation.

    There should be no reason why we can't fly short distances as it is the safest and fastest mode of transportation.
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  17. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I used to fly a lot of very short day trips in the 1980's, BWI-LGA or BWI-RIC but that was when you could get there within 30 minutes of departure and waltz straight to the gate unimpeded. That situation won't exist for the rest of my lifetime.

    I've been using ~500/miles or 10 hours as a rule of thumb for business travel for several years. Aside from all of the advance arrival time, delays, etc. mentioned above there may be limited departures available. At least when driving you can leave whenever you want.
  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    It doesn't exist now.

    Airlines that rely on short hops like that, such as WN and US, in particular, are feeling that pinch very acutely.
  19. snapstoo

    snapstoo Original Member

    I much prefer any excuse to fly, even on big heavy airplanes. I do not like driving. I really miss those days when getting on big airplanes made me happy. :( Well... BEING on any airplane still makes me happy, but getting on SOME airplanes makes sad enough to drive.

    ready, go, rotate
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I adore trains, have always used them, always enjoyed them, and now that I'm not flying anymore will be using them more. Darwin76 is right that they're best on the East Coast -- much more traffic and speedier lines. But I have friends who love the Starlight Express on the West Coast. Hubby and I are planning a trip on Amtrak's luxury sleeper train that takes you cross-country to the national parks out west.

    If the railroads were as heavily subsidized as the airline and auto/highway industries are, we could have great train service everywhere, too. This was a policy decision made long ago; it's not just that people magically voted for lousy train accessibility.

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