Indicted -- Guilty

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by AndreaAbbott, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I just want to restate that in my mind, Andrea is among the absolute best of us - right up with Yukari Miyamae, Jon Corbett, Phil Mocek and John Tyner - for persevering in this fight.

    Andrea, if you're reading this (a matter about which I will make no assumptions as you certainly have more than enough on your mind right now), WE ARE BEHIND YOU ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. Whatever happens, you've been in the right all along. Do not let anyone force you to lose sight of that. No parent should ever be put through this sort of wringer for protecting their child, but now that it's happened to you, your making it costly for them is the best response imaginable.

    Go get 'em, and if you're ever in Chicago, I'm buying you a drink.
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    What does this mean (from the prosecutor): "You can speak your mind, but you can't do it in an illegal manner"
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Probably trying to misrepresent what would actually be illegal speech (disorderly conduct).
  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    It translates into "First Amendment? What in the Nine Hells is the First Amendment? Free speech doesn't exist in an airport! It''s...uhh...AIRPORT! PLANES! NINE ELEVEN!"

    Said prosecutor needs to be bludgeoned with a Constitutional-law book until they have dreams of the Bill of Rights every night for the rest of their career.
  5. My children will be twelve and subject to airport molestation before too long. From one Andrea to another, I want you to know that I feel like you're fighting this for my family, too.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Stop flying & vote with your wallets, folks -- it's the only way to get these un-American vermin under control.

    The only one who has successfully defended himself so far is Phil Mocek, and it cost him $30K.

    Connecticut Post: Mother found guilty in Tenn. pat-down case

    A Clarksville mother accused of berating Transportation Security Administration officers trying to pat down her teenage daughter has been found guilty of disorderly conduct.

    Jurors began deliberating around 10:30 a.m. Tuesday and reached their verdict about four hours later. Abbott faces up to 30 days in jail and a $50 fine.

  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member


    The United States is dead.

    God help us all.

    I'm taking a break from the internet for a while. This is sickening.
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I updated the thread title before I made the post, sorry to keep you in suspense. :D

    No point in hiding in hiding in your closet -- they'll find you there with the latest airborne technology, warrant or not.

    Do something positive -- pick out something that annoys you and help to document it for posterity. Could be in a forum (e.g. here) or in a WordPress blog. I use several of each.

    If nothing else, take one topic a day out of the Cato daily recap that's not otherwise covered and expand on it with enough quotes (& links people can follow for more into) that your post can be read by itself. Or focus on puppycides or a particular state or ...
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  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Four hours - the AFSers on the jury must have really badgered.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I can't believe that not one single person on that jury thought Andrea was innocent.
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  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Or was strong enough to stand their ground against the AFSers.
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

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  13. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    (expletive deleted) THE DHS!!
    (expletive deleted) THE TSA!!!
    :mad:X 1,000,000!!!
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  14. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    Although I truly believe Andrea should have won I will always have the deepest admiration and respect for her for going through with the trial. Even though the jury, in my opinion, made a big mistake with this verdict, I believe Andrea has set an example that it is important to stand up for your rights no matter what the outcome. I would hope if faced with a similar experience at an airport or in any situation in which I felt violated that I would have the stamina, integrity and courage of Andrea. The jury was wrong Andrea, you are a winner.
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  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Though cold comfort it may be, Andrea we are behind you in spirit. You have a whole group of people that not only don't blame you for what you did, we know that what you did was right.

    I know this outcome is disheartening. It is unfortunate that these TSA "people" can do what they do, and become so extremely offended when it is spoken out loud what they do.

    It is unfortunate that TSA continues to get away with these antics, and as usual, blames the passenger. :td:
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  16. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    So what's next for Andrea? Appeals?
  17. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Ohmygod. Just...ohmygod. I was not expecting this. I honestly thought that justice would prevail, and that nobody in their right mind could watch that video, read that obviously falsified police report, and not laugh in the prosecutor's face.

    Yesterday I allowed a total bully on in the comments section of an article about this case get to me, and I railed back at him in a way that is completely unlike me. But I comforted myself with the knowledge (or so I thought) that there is no way she'd be convicted.

    I truly feel ill. I feel like crying. What has happened to our nation? It's far worse than I ever imagined.

    I'm seriously thinking of quitting my job and leaving the country. I don't want to live here any more. I have never before felt ashamed to be an American. I do today. :(
  18. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    It's cold comfort, I know, but you're not the only one who feels that way. I fully intend, when I finally get around to touring Europe (which I'm figuring will be accessed by train to the coast, then by sea), I'll present myself in all unofficial contexts as Canadian and not American. I fully expect, and consider it fully justified, that presenting myself as American would cause the people with whom I'm interacting undue distress and disgust, and would prefer to spare them that if I can reasonably ethically do so.
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  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Actually, I've never perceived any adverse reactions to being an American overseas. They don't hate us, and they love our money.

    If we weren't both pushing 60 with chronic health issues, I'd look seriously at relocating.

    But since relocation is not a feasible option, we need to do something positive -- work towards giving the airlines a choice of ditching TSA or going out of business. Only the application of severe pain (a corporate Taser, so to speak) to the airlines is going to change this situation.,
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  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Was that aimed at me?

    I've spent about 8 months of the last 10 years overseas, also lived in Norway for 3 years when I younger, currently working in the the U.S. but reporting to management in Sweden.

    Never had a problem.

    Most folks seem to be able to distinguish between the bozo at the top & us normal people.

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