Indicted -- Guilty

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by AndreaAbbott, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Well, I don't think I would pick Italy ... or Greece or Spain .. at this point in time. Too much economic uncertainty.

    But really, the best we can do for Andrea is to stay here and make the bums pay! :D
  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sgt Scott,a BNA Cop, is gloating over at the other place. He didn't care for my comment.
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I saw that -- almost hilarious.

    Sgt. Snot is one of their highlights and valued members.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    So much for a jury of your peers flock.
  5. AndreaAbbott

    AndreaAbbott Original Member

    Hello everyone. I left Tennessee for Texas after all was said and done, just checked into a hotel and wanted to check in with ya'll. Thanks for all of your support. I promise I will answer some of your questions. Must give me sometime my head is foggy and I am just exhausted.
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  6. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Honestly I can't even begin to express how depressing this is to me. I know we're all having various reactions, and I don't count mine as any more important than anyone else's...and especially not more than Andrea's, for whom I feel so bad. But after watching my mother get abused and humiliated by the TSA, getting sexually and physically assaulted by the TSA myself, watching two profoundly handicapped children get abused, and now this...I'm feeling truly hopeless. As a rape victim, I feel raped all over again. The rapists have won. We women are powerless over our bodies - we have no choices, we are at the mercy of ruthless power-hungry thugs who are able to abuse us with impunity.

    And while I've stated many times in here how much I DON'T want to get into politics in this forum, I feel I must express that this is only one way in which women's choices, options and veritable SAFETY are being stripped away. My depression over this verdict is compounded by my terror that the election is going to put someone into office who will set women's rights back by 50 years, stripping me of my right to make decisions about my own body, and ensuring that my gay family and friends continue to be discriminated against and denied basic human rights. Just for the record, if abortion had been illegal 20 years ago I would be DEAD, as I had to have two over the course of three years in order to save my life (and (expletive deleted) YOU Joe Walsh, who is clearly just as stupid as Todd Akin and thinks that women don't die from pregnancy...moron! And again for the record, I wanted the babies, but I wanted to LIVE more...and I ended up adopting two kids who were meant to be my children, which never would have happened if I'd freaking DIED.)

    And to make matters even WORSE for women, if that same candidate gets elected, there goes any support for women finally achieving equal pay for equal work. To hear about what happened to that 24-year-old teacher who asked the question about gender pay parity at the Presidential debate - it's horrific! She was viciously attacked, called a "feminazi", a "ladyparts tool", had her personal life delved into and publicly ripped apart by extremists for the :::GASP::: horrific crime of being a WOMAN who dared to ask questions about why women don't get paid as much as men (which is an indisputable fact, no more in dispute than whether the earth is round)...

    America is no longer a safe place for women.

    As for quitting my job and leaving the country, that is not hyperbole. I actually mean it. My husband and I have been working towards a retirement plan of eventually getting on our sailboat and cruising the Pacific for a few years once we quit our jobs. Our plan called for our continuing to work for at least another 5 years, so we'll be in a financial position to do this in comfort and not have to tap into our retirement accounts until we're 65. But I'm so depressed about what I see happening in this country that I'm convinced that I can't wait that long. I do not want to live under the yoke of misogyny, nor the yoke of religious extremism of a religion that I don't even believe in, nor the yoke of totalitarianism...America is not the democratic "by the people, for the people" country that I thought it was.

    Our cruising kitty is not where it needs to be yet, but we may just have to strip down our plans for comfort and go sooner. I no longer believe that this is the best nation in the world.

    If this offends anyone, I'm sorry. It's how I feel.
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If ever there was cause for jury nullification, this was it. I guess the jury pool in that part of the world is lacking backbone and common sense, or the prosecutor used his challenges to good effect. Justice was not done today, but in this life that happens. Good luck Andrea. I'd much rather be you than either the jerk who arrested you and lied or the prison matron who assaulted your daughter.
  8. yautjalady

    yautjalady Original Member

    Oboy.... I've been following what happened to y'all and I am soooooo angry I can't see straight...

    I hope there is some way to appeal this.

    PM me if you need anything :)

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  9. yautjalady

    yautjalady Original Member


    I see where you're coming from, you've had a LOT of things happen to you :0 woah :0

    As for me, I will stand my ground here.


    on account of what the TSA has done to you, Andrea Abbott, Amy Alkon and all the other ladies.

    and on account of what that jury just decided in Andrea's case.

    I will take two days by road or rail to get to the west or east coast to visit my family.
  10. AndreaAbbott

    AndreaAbbott Original Member

    Let me clear something up real quick.......Appeal??? Really, I am done. lol. Brent Horst was wonderful at everything he did. My daughter, family and true friends know the trueth and know that a crapload of what was said did not happen or come out of my mouth. That is all that matters to me.
  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    And in the case of Italy, a court system that can't understand science.
  12. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    This is exactly the same feeling that I have about this verdict: BLINDING RAGE!
    I understand that Andrea wants to put all this behind her, and I don't blame her one bit for not trying to appeal the decision. I would probably do the same if I were in her shoes.
    The best way to deal with this, I have concluded, is to keep on doing what we've been doing with our own forms of protest: Writing to congress-critters and airline executives, filing complaints with the TSA and airlines, boycotting the airlines, and letting the front-line smurfs know (if we are unfortunate enough to HAVE to fly) what we think of these inane, intrusive, invasive search procedures.
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  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I have avoided jury duty 3 times. Out of arrogance, I considered myself too busy to be a juror.

    I was wrong. People like me are why it's impossible for people like Andrea Abbott to be judged by a jury of their peers. We are smart enough to get out of jury duty, so we do. We don't consider the consequences to freedom in the U.S.

    I will never, never avoid jury duty again.
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  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Andrea, thank you so much for going through this and I am so sorry it turned out the way it did. I certainly can understand why you wouldn't want to appeal.

    May I ask a couple of questions:

    1. How long did the jury deliberate? Was it 2 or 4 hours?

    2. Did any of the cops' fellow pigs show up in court to support him?

    3. During voir dire, was Mr. Horst able to ascertain how many of the jurors had traveled by air in the last 2 years?
    I can't believe that anyone who has done so accepted the prosecutor's closing statement that screening takes only one minute but it was turned into a 30-minute delay for other travelers.

    4. How far down the concourse did you get before you were hauled back to be "screened?" It almost sounds to me as if you were set up to be arrested.

    Again, Andrea, thank you.
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  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    One more thing, Sgt. Snot (I like that) says at the other place that he was told that one juror was asleep during the closing arguments. Is that true? Is that actionable (and I understand that you are through)?
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  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Andrea has a right to get on with her life, but I'm appalled by these jurors.
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  17. yautjalady

    yautjalady Original Member

    Andrea, please accept my apologies regarding appealing; I wrote while angry :0
  18. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Liz: THANK YOU for that, regarding jury duty. I always got a vague feeling of discomfort when I heard people talk about "Being on trial means you're being tried by 12 people who were too dumb to get out of jury duty." I don't want to toot my own horn too much or anything, but suffice it to say that I am an atypically intelligent person and this has been verified by IQ test. I have never felt a desire to get out of jury duty because I understand it as a civic responsibility, and knowing that such travesties as this can be avoided by even one holdout juror has convinced me that if I'm selected during voir dire, I'll take up the mantle with honor. I'm glad to know you're with me on this.

    LeeAnne: The only appropriate response I can think of to your impassioned passage is a raised fist of solidarity. We already know where the other stands on these matters, and it's pretty much the exact same ground.

    This has further convinced me: I do not love the USA. All those manifestations of patriotism that we've been indoctrinated to revere are now meaningless to me, and I am proud of that. I've been disgusted by the Pledge for as long as I can remember, well before TSA. The national anthem has turned my stomach ever since the dawn of the chest-thumping Rah-Rah-Ah-mer-ee-cah 'roid patriotism that emerged in response to <SPOOKYFINGERS>NINE ELEVEN</SPOOKYFINGERS>, and I've reconditioned myself to feel nothing at all at the sight of a US flag since scope-n-grope started. Damn good thing, since in light of this, I daresay the cognitive dissonance that would accompany instinctive feelings of patriotism clashing with the knowledge of this latest total failure of justice would likely induce severe and immediate vomiting. And unless I had recently gorged myself on 4th-of-July cupcakes from the Jewel bakery, the results would NOT be coloured red, white and blue.

    (Appy-polly-logies for that image, but I thought maybe a little grossout humor would help distract from the dystopian horror of the outcome of this trial.)

    The US flag, the Stars and Stripes, Old nothing more than an indicator to me now. It's an informational icon, not entirely unlike an SSL padlock in a browser address bar, that simply says "You are presently within the geographical boundaries of the United States." There is no pride, no honor, no patriotism, nothing ideologically or philosophically redeeming in the sight of red and white stripes, and white stars against a blue background. I'm done loving this rotting husk of what was once a great country.

    This festering carcass of America just told someone they were legally guilty of protecting the interests and the very bodily integrity of their child. That defending their child constitutes disorderly conduct and is to be punished.

    This is not a country that deserves love. This is not a country that deserves respect. And this is not a country that deserves someone with the honor and decency of Andrea Abbott. I hope that someday, Ms. Abbott is able to leave the US for a truly free country that will see the value in her moral fiber and give her the support and approval she deserves for looking after her daughter's rights and bodily sovereignty.

    It's been said and condemned before, but I'll say it again because I mean it:

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  19. TSA News Blog

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    Andrea Abbott, the mother who tried to protect her daughter from being molested by the TSA, has been found guilty of “disorderly conduct.”
    Even though, as you can see in this video, Abbott wasn’t being disorderly — on the contrary, multiple TSA agents and an airport cop bullied her — still, she was handcuffed, arrested, charged, and jailed.
    And a jury of her peers sided with the TSA.
    This should put to rest the delusion many TSA critics have that our fellow citizens will stand by us. Not surprisingly in my view, our fellow citizens are more inclined to side with the National Security State. They are as authoritarian as their overlords.
    So much for protecting one’s children. So much for American “values.”
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Fixed that for you.

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