Indy Channel: Confrontation With TSA Agent Leaves Grandpa's Ashes On Floor

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

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  2. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Isn't there a law in Florida about abusing human remains? Why hasn't this cunning stunt been arrested?
  3. THawk996

    THawk996 Original Member

    Here's some additional information:

    TSA: 'Inconsistent' Details In Ashes Story

  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Hear that whirring noise? That's the propaganda machine spinning up.
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    why yes... The question is does a DA have the cajones to file it and nail smurfs to the wall.

    ETA: Florida Law: Link
  6. Kara Harkins

    Kara Harkins Member

  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    At TSA News. It'll show up on the automated feed in a few minutes:

    TSA News Blog: TSA Agent Spills Cremation Ashes Laughs About It
  8. TSA News Blog

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    We’ve had yet another incident of a TSA agent humiliating and disrespecting a passenger.
    At Orlando airport in Florida, John Gross was transporting his grandfather’s ashes in an urn marked “Human Remains.” As he told the IndyChannel in his hometown of Indianapolis:
    “They opened up my bag, and I told them, ‘Please, be careful. These are my grandpa’s ashes.’ She picked up the jar. She opened it up.​
    “I was told later on that she had no right to even open it, that they could have used other devices, like an X-ray machine. So she opened it up. She used her finger and was sifting through it. And then she accidentally spilled it.”​
    Gross says about a quarter to a third of the contents spilled on the floor, leaving him frantically trying to gather up as much as he could.​
    But that wasn’t bad enough. The TSA had to make it worse.
    “She didn’t apologize. She started laughing. I was on my hands and knees picking up bone fragments. I couldn’t pick up all, everything that was lost. I mean, there was a long line behind me.”​
    This story has been picked up not only all over the country, but all over the world.
    This isn’t the first time the TSA has been accused of tampering with cremated remains.
    The TSA’s website indicates that passengers may travel with cremated remains, with restrictions:
    Out of respect to the deceased and their family and friends, under no circumstances will an officer open the container even if the passenger requests this be done. Documentation from the funeral home is not sufficient to carry a crematory container through security and onto a plane without screening.​
    You may transport the urn as checked baggage provided that it is successfully screened. We will screen the urn for explosive materials/devices using a variety of techniques; if cleared, it will be permitted as checked baggage only.
    Point of confusion: since checked baggage is — er — checked, it doesn’t go through TSA screening with the passenger at the checkpoint. So, under these rules, how can a passenger “carry a crematory container through security and onto a plane”?
    Then we have this gem:
    Some airlines do not allow cremated remains as checked baggage so please check with your air carrier before attempting to transport a crematory container in checked baggage.​
    That’s kind a Catch-22, don’t you think? We, the TSA demand that you check the container, but some airlines won’t let you check the container.
    Regardless, the TSA agent in Orlando behaved disgracefully. Wonder how long before the agency trots out its standard line: “TSA strives to provide the highest level of security while ensuring that all passengers are treated with dignity and respect.”
    Dignity and respect?
    John Gross says he wants an apology. I’d say he’s owed more than that. I’d say we all are.
    (Photo: Flickr Creative Commons/Yukata Tsutano)
    UPDATE: The TSA propaganda machine is already spinning:
    Jim Fotenos, a TSA public affairs officer, issued a statement that said the agency’s review “concluded that the circumstances as described in some reports are inconsistent with what we believe transpired.”​
    But of course. The TSA doesn’t admit it’s wrong. Its employees routinely bully, harass, intimidate, rob, and assault passengers, but “proper procedures” are always followed. Why should this occasion be any different?
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This story is all over the media & blogosphere, title at Reason is "TSA Even Mistreats the Dead".
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I just sent it to a family relative -- another Person in Denial. She's transporting her husband's remains to the UK in September. Didn't faze her. As she said, she's already transported them to several countries (yes, he's being spread around) with no problem. But she doesn't acknowledge any problems of any kind with the TSA anyway. C'est la vie.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    LRC Blog: After Pedophilia, You Might Think the Only Direction the TSA Can Go Is Up

  12. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    According to the Orlando Sentinel, another of our favorite Spokesholes, Sari Koshetz, responded with the same email:

    So, as usual, the passenger is lying. What a crock.

    The other aspect to all of this is that the TSA has been successful instilling fear in this guy:

    I can't wait for Blogdad Bob's post...
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    People still think the TSA can put you on the No-Fly List. I get it, I understand why, because the TSA would like us to believe that. They deliberately inculcate this fear. That alone should be enough to get people to wake the F up. What kind of agency exists to instill fear in people?? People who pay their salaries, no less??

    One grope at a time, one robbery at a time, one spilled urn at a time. Whatever it takes.
  14. ediemac

    ediemac Original Member

    Blogdad Bob has spoken:
    Blogger Bob said...
    Containers with remains (ashes) are never opened. Initial review concludes circumstances described are inconsistent with what happened.

    Blogger Bob Burns
    TSA Blog Team
    June 26, 2012 7:50 PM

    From the comments on posting from Friday, June 22, 2012
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    So I guess Blogger Boob got the same e-mail. Let's see the video.

    Sari also states that the TSA has been unable to get in touch with the passenger, but the Orlando Sentinel managed to find him:

  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Thanks. Just a little confused about dates. BB signed June 26th. You say from the comments posting June 22nd. ?
    ETA: Found it. Here's the link:
  17. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    I hardly bother reading his crap anymore. I used to do it for the comic relief, but even that is wearing thin.

    I guess this is the TSA's new technique: Post anything, let people change the topic in the comments, and then respond to the incident via your own comment way down the list of comments. There's virtually no way they will dare make this its own separate post.

    Oh yeah -- then, go to the next cubicle and ask your public affairs buddy to post a comment praising the TSA for saving America.
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, yeah, loved that praising comment! Hilarious!

    As for not doing separate post, don't bet on it. These people have no shame. They never admit they're wrong. This time is nothing new.
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They *can't* admit they're wrong. It'd mean they'd be jobless, since the only people currently working for the TSA lack the skills to work anywhere else (or they do have the skills, and the opportunities for thievery and groping at the TSA are simply too attractive to give up.)
  20. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    Tell me whether or not you think Spokesholess Sari is capable of telling the truth:


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