Internal TSA report raises concerns about BDO profiling nationwide

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Aug 5, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    NJ.com: Concern over racial profiling against Hispanic passengers at Newark airport continues in wake of report

    Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss) has demanded that the BDO program be suspended due to its bias. Rep. Thompson is the ranking Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee.
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    The comments are sad.
     
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, the comments are sad. I won't even bother trying to counter them. It's pointless.
     
  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Here's all you need to know about this rotten, larcenous, and power-mad agency, from the linked article:

     
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  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    So they have quotas to meet, huh? Just like cops having ticket quotas.
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Reminds of the the ATF's Good Ol' Boys :td:
     
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wow. Obnoxious. I had no idea those things were going on, though upon reflection I can't say I'm surprised. I'm glad to see their bosses finally stepped in and tried to put a stop to it.
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    & more, might as well just append this to the latest BDO thread ...

    Open Market: TSA Chatterboxes Not as Friendly* as they Seem

    So it's only 4 days of training. The other three days are practice. I suppose we could call it a residency to make it sound more "professional".

    *Personally, I wouldn't call the one who tried to pick a fight with me friendly at all. :td:
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yeah, I've been hammering this at every newspaper, blog, and site where I comment -- 4 days of classroom training and 24 hours of on-the-job training. Police detectives take years to hone their observational skills. Yet these yahoos are going to be unleashed on the public after a few days. Yeah, that'll work.
     
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  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I think I read 5 of them before I just had to close that tab. :td:

    In a way, this is actually good. Rep. Thompson was previously an ardent supporter of TSA.

    Watching him in the Oversight Committee's Part 1, and seeing this letter indicate to me that even TSA's supporters in Congress are turning against them. Remember, the BDO program is being touted as a "fix" to help people "avoid" whole body imaging. I think we all know that's bollocks.

    However, that a "new and improved" program that is supposed to make the screening process better is being called into question by a previous supporter of the agency tells me their days are becoming shorter and shorter. I just wish that day would get here already!
     
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  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I'm too lazy to look for it but a link I read today re: Pistole's comments on the new program - which isn't new, IMO, it's just added more "probing" questions to what the SPOTniks are already doing - mentioned something to the effect that children would no longer have to remove their shoes, I presume after they had been "interviewed" by these wizards.

    ETA:

    My stars, it's right here on TUG:

    If kids can "forgo" removing shoes, why can't adults. Can't be too careful you know 'cause a terrorist could put explosives in kids shoes. Then again, maybe he's talking about baby booties and babies' shoes.

    Jackass.

    Further down:

    What do "ripe for racial profiling" (with which I totally agree) and "refused to answer questions....." have to do with each other?
     
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  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The media is picking it up ...

    The Hill: Democrats deride new TSA behavior-detection program as 'chat downs'

     
  14. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Why should anyone be forced to talk to a power tripping goon just to fly? They are inside our pants now and soon want to be inside our minds as well. Grrrrrrrr.

    When asked by a TSO "how are you?" The stock answer they get is "it is a travel day." Suggest calling the police on the stalkers.
     
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  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    An excellent find, Elizabeth Conley!

    I think this letter is significant. To date it seems that Democrats in both the House and Senate, and black Democrats, in particular, have been reluctant to speak out against TSA as it would be seen as a lack of confidence in the President. I don't know for certain, it just seems a plausible answer. There are other reasons, to be sure, but we must consider Rep. Bennie Thompson, his position in the House, on this Committee, and his race when reading this letter.

    It is the first, to my knowledge, public denouncement of the TSA from a Democrat. The fact that it is written by the ranking member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, that this member is a Southern Democrat, who is black, is important. We cannot read this letter through blinders. To truly understand this letter we must consider the nuance of the political posturing.

    Consider, too, what John Pistole has publicly stated the "new and improved" Screening Passengers by Observation Technique (SPOT) with Behavior Detection Officers (BDO) program would do. In his mind (though likely not in practice) it would be a means to stop "treating everyone as a potential terrorist" and end virtual strip searching and groping for most passengers. In theory, this is a step in the right direction, and should be welcomed with open arms. I think most of us here would agree that simply won't be the case.

    Now that Rep. Thompson has publicly called this practice into question, it further highlights Congress's growing distrust of the agency, its operations, and its philosophy. To my mind, the most important sentence in the letter is:

    This sentence tells me 3 things:
    1. Congress is starting to publicly question TSA's reliance on junk science.
    2. Congress is starting to understand that TSA doesn't really understand whether or not its methods are effective. Furthermore, they have correctly recognized that TSA is on an empire building mission.
    3. The tone towards TSA has changed, and is no longer in TSA's favor.
    Now, what is going to happen as a result of these events is anyone's guess. What is clear is that there is more outrage, and I would guess it is openly hostile, towards TSA than TSA is willing to admit. It is also clear that Congress is feeling some heat because of TSA. If TSA doesn't start respecting the Constitution, we may finally see some change.

    The important thing now is not to let up. I will admit that around February/March I had started to become discouraged. I'm glad that I remained involved in the anti-TSA fight because it is starting to pay off. Hopefully it pays off in dividends.
     
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  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    http://thehill.com/blogs/transporta...ing-tsa-behavior-detection-program-chat-downs

    Democrats deride new TSA behavior-detection program as 'chat downs'

    By Keith Laing - 08/15/11 03:18 PM ET

    I think the Congress is finally starting to wake up to the monster they created.

    Question is, will Congress do anything to correct their error?
     
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  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    "Congress" and "correct" in the same sentence? I don't think so! ;-)
     
  18. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    They need to have their attention drawn to the indefensible "random" gate pat-down and roaming BDOs in the sterile area. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
     
  19. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I think congress is seriously underestimating their constituents' ire.

    Congress needs to start working very, very hard together to serve Americans' best interests. This isn't the only issue, but it is important. Congressmen and Senators are on borrowed time right now. Business as usual is unacceptable.
     
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  20. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I actually knew a Congressman, and let me assure you that so long as he collected his (high) pay, got a free parking space on Capitol High, and could get liquored up as often as he liked, he was perfectly happy to do nothing.
     

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