IRS agents seize 10M medical patient records w/out warrant

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by KrazyKat, May 18, 2013.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Forbes has picked up the story of a lawsuit filed in CA over 15 IRS agents stealing 60 million medical records while executing a search related to financial records of one individual taxpayer:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgo...rs-raids-60-million-personal-medical-records/

    From courthouse news:
    After threatening destruction and stealing the records, the agents involved partied:
    While a top official involved in the 501(c) scandal has been promoted to the Affordable Care Act enforcement office, more gasoline on the IRS fire with Forbes picking up the lawsuit story.
     
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The sheer arrogance of these people is shocking. Jail time. That's the only thing that will fix this. Jail time for everyone involved here.
     
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  3. This Washington Times article says the suit seeks $25,000 per violation. I'm trying to wrap my brain around it. $25,000 times 10,000,000 people? Or could it be even $25,000 times 60,000,000 records improperly seized from those people? Could either of those numbers even be possible? And where would this money come from? I don't think the taxpayers can even choke up that much.
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Unless individuals are held personally accountable nothing will change.
     
  5. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    The money is a max per violation type, unlikely to be realized.

    What gets me is the people involved. These are not mild-mannered incompetant government bureaucrats. These are lawless thugs:
    Where is IRS hiring these people from? Cadet/bootcamp washouts? Pizza boxes? Prisons? Who are these people?
     
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It starts at the top. Contempt for the people, for Law, for the Constitution, starts with Obama and is propagated to the people he hires. Short fat Janet and long John Pistole share in that same contempt, as does Eric Holder, and now, the IRS appointees are proving to share in this as well. Finally, the Democrats are waking up to the truth as well.
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach



    Probably from the same gene pool where they hire border patrol agents, thousands of whom have been up on misconduct issues.
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Here is the problem.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pfeiffer-irs-scandal-law-irrelevant_724883.html

    Obama aide Dan Pfeiffer was asked on TV this morning whether he thinks the IRS actions violated the law:

    "Look, I can't speak to the law here," he said. "The law is irrelevant. The activity was outrageous and inexcusable."
     
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    no. the law is not irrelevant. "outrageous" and "inexcusable" are political blather. if they broke the law, they need to pay consequences.

    clearly, an independent prosecutor is needed here, and charges. charges capable of imposing jail time.
     
  10. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I think at this point up to and including 18 USC Chapter 115.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    My first reaction was a bit of shock at the literal meaning of what was said, but I think this was just a poor choice words by someone who shouldn't be fielding questions. He's expressing his disapproval, legal or not.
     
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yes, we know that Mike. And this clown knew that. It was an obvious attempt, IMHO, to dampen the calls for an independent counsel. Expressions of outrage by this clown or the president are not actionable. The results of an independent counsel would be actionable, on the contrary, would probably result in quite painful legal consequences for some of these people, and might reveal the president in a very unfavorable light. He's not clean in this affair.
     
  13. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Interesting chronology of WH visitors in the American Spectator:
    LATimes regarding breaking the law:
    I'm glad to see the medical record seizure story continuing to spread, this one with open comments:Lawsuit claims IRS agents illegally seized medical records
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Invoking the Fifth Amendment in a Congressional hearing over your conduct in your "professional" performance is one way to insure you're convicted in the Court of Public Opinion.

    I wonder what we'd hear if she were offered immunity. I truly do.
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    She'd probably lie. Rats are unreliable sources unless you can corroborate their droppings.
     
  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I don't know that she would. It's also possible that she would die of a mysterious previously-undetected heart condition on the front steps on her way to testify.
     
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Lerner gave her big speech about not doing anything wrong or violating the law and then pleads the 5th.

    Just the way she did this makes her look guilty of something. She was in charge of the IRS unit that was targeting these groups and either knew or should have known what her people were doing and I suspect they were carrying out her orders.

    I can't believe that a Special Prosecutor will not be appointed in the very near future.
     
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I hope her expectation of adverse legal action is realized.
     
  19. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I can't believe that she was using the 5th Ammendment to protect herself from self-incrimination, rather she was using it to protect those higher up the food chain. If she states that she did nothing wrong, it may be that she truely believes that when your superior orders you to violate the constitutional rights of others, you are not doing wrong by carrying out their orders (similar to what TSA [aka Trampling Several Ammendments] does to air travellers).
     
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm guessing that her paid holiday is about to hit a brick wall.
     
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