Is the TSA Deliberately Conditioning Americans to Accept Abuse as Normal?

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Long Windedness Alert: If you like your articles short and sweet, stop here:rolleyes:

    I dunno what to think of this:

    I guess I just don't want to believe it.
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    First thing that comes to mind is that this is nothing new. We've discussed this phenomenon -- under various names -- many times here at TUG. Solomon Asch, Stanley Milgram, and Philip Zimbardo also demonstrated the prevalence of this behavior in their famous experiments. I'm sure there are philosophers who talked about it centuries ago.

    Yes, the tendency to conformity in human behavior is very powerful. Even when that conformity requires the commission of horrific acts. It's also how torture becomes acceptable.

    All of this is why some of us have been screaming since Day 1 about the TSA and what it portends. It's not and has never been "just" about searches at the airport.
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  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    All that being recognized, I'll believe the government is stupid long before I'll believe the government is malevolent. There's clear, convincing evidence the government is stupid. We can easily prove that. The vast-world-wide-malevolent-conspiracy theory is harder to prove. Sure, it makes sense to us, but that's because we're the kind of people who build consensus and work toward common goals. We naturally believe others are just like us. The goobermint? Not so much.
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh, I wasn't claiming this is some kind of conscious effort by the TSA or its bosses. Well, except for pushing people into the scanners and delivering punitive gropes when they refuse. That is a deliberate effort; it's been openly admitted by TSA agents, as Jeffrey Goldberg and other journalists have documented.

    Other than that, it's all just business as usual. People in power try to hang onto that power, no matter what. The consequences are of little concern to them. Some of them genuinely don't believe they're being malevolent; others just don't care.
  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I agree with this. One thing I'd add though -- I think they're being opportunistic. That is, they aren't doing this deliberately, but if that's the outcome that happens, well, good.
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  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    It's worse.

    Some of them actually believe they are doing something good and worthwhile, which is why I think the section that Elizabeth quoted is so prescient.
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  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Exactly. If there really were sick masterminds pulling the strings, they'd realize that the greatest psychological stress would be incurred by those ordered to perform the abuse -> the non-sociopathic TSA workers are those experiencing the greatest cognitive dissonance and largest shift in moral values.

    No wonder they're facing disproportionate heart attacks and strokes. They have to go through (expletive deleted) before they can accept this new norm.
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Oh I agree they are stupid. That does not prevent them from also being evil. It is evil to force people to allow a strip search or to allow strangers hands on your genitals. It is evil to shrug and wink as pistole and Janet have saying you'll get used to our raping you and you family. The convergence point of these actions and attitudes will be the same as if it were the result of a deliberate
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And because it can never be reprinted often enough:

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  10. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Im sorry I would never let that happen because the first instance a perv touches my child without my permission there going to find there head in the next county. I refuse to allow this BS to happen, Ive already made one perv cry and have no qalms about doing it again or laying a smurf out.

    This :trash: has to stop.
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yet millions of people, who claim they love their children/wives/daughters/sons/mothers/etc., are allowing it to happen. Every day, every hour, at airports all across the country. The sheeple have spoken, and their answer is a resounding "Baaaaaaaa."
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "Baaaaaa." is probably easier for them. I'm not looking forward to explaining to my daughter (when she's old enough to ask) that we can't go to Disneyland or Disney World because there are a bunch of Bad People in blue shirts and tin badges who think she's going to try to blow something up. And by the time she's old enough to do that asking, the TSA will be *everywhere.*
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  13. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I have a friend who is planning a trip in March and claims I have made her afraid of the TSA. Well, good, she should be afraid of the TSA. One down, so many more to go.......
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Except if she's lucky and breezes through security, it will only reinforce her contention that there's nothing to be afraid of, that you're exaggerating, all the usual crap.
  15. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    Maybe not because she supports Ron Paul and she doesn't much like what happened to his son at the hands of the TSA. And you can bet I'm sending her everything I can find regarding that incident.
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Send her this while you're at it. Then again, she might not care. Is she thinking of ever having children? Not a great idea to go waltzing through radiation left and right.
  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Having just come out of a graduate program in public administration, what's clear is that the normal rules of program management are not being applied. :rolleyes: Bad enough that the state of perpetual-terror war-emergency removes normal procedural requirements for health and safety, so massive x-ray bombardment at the borders proceeds as just so much human experimentation.

    But the reasons why, when systems are irrational--not just inefficient-- in acheiving their stated purpose, shows either 1) an alternate mission they are performing under or 2) corruption.

    Take your pick, it's all bad. My personal guess is it's a combination of both. All of the surveillance and all of the para-military exercises being carried out are evidence of preparation for civil disturbance and martial law.
    Rumsfeld believed his own BS, I don't think Pistole does-- I think he's lying on behalf of #1.
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think Pistole believes his own BS 100%. He's a religious zealot. I posted an extensive bio of him a while back. Sheds a lot of light, I think. Can re-post. Regardless, the effects are the same. We're getting screwed, while our overlords are getting rich and amassing more power.
  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Please repost it, Lisa. I've wondered what drives him.
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member
    One wonders how Jesus would view Pistole's Reign of Molestation. Rather, one doesn't have to wonder.

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