Is this for real?

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    unfortunately, that web site is prone (if not porne) to extreme hyperbole and stories like this should be viewed with a bit of incredulity. Such a law, if as stated by infowars, would be on its face unconstitutional. Like gropes at airports.
     
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  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Countries don't declare themselves to be police states. We could easily prevent that from happening. Instead it just comes a little at a time. William O. Douglas once said "tyranny, like nightfall, does not come all at once."
     
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  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It might be a bit of advance CYA in case of a full fledged societal collapse due to financial exigencies. But if that does happen, all bets and the Constitution are off anyway, law or no law.
     
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Well yeah - unconstitutional. And yes, Infowars is a "conspiracy nut" site.

    On the other hand, gropes at airport seem unconstitutional too. It brings me back to "How Low Can You Go - Limbo a Little Lower Now." It seems like there have been incremental changes in our Federal Government. These changes are kinda creepy. How "low" will they go? Their standard of behavior toward U.S. citizens seems to get lower every year.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I agree that Infowars can be hyperbolic and prone to conspiracy theories. But Alex Jones has not only been outspoken on civil liberties, which lots of other supposedly more sophisticated observers haven't, his entry on this also links to the ACLU rep0rt. The ACLU report isn't hyperbolic. Neither are other news accounts reporting on this bill. This proposed legislation, which was secretly passed in committee, is dangerous. I don't think it will be passed by the full Senate or the House. Even so, the fact that we have these wankers on the Hill who want it be passed should wake people up. Not that I'm holding my breath.
     
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  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    May not be true but Drudge has picked up and linked to the story.
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And here's info from the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC).

    Specifically about this bill:
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If it should pass and get signed by the President will ACLU take any action or will the ACLU sit on the sidelines like they have on TSA issues?
     
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    They've indeed been worthless on the TSA. My understanding of how the ACLU operates is that they won't take on a case they're sure they'll lose.

    Even though the vile Patriot Act has been passed, and passed, and passed, I still don't think S.1867 will be.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Then from the lack of action on the part of ACLU I would draw the conclusion that TSA is operating within the law.
    That is truly distrubing.
     
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think it has to do with the whole issue of "administrative search," which we've discussed at TUG a few times. But IANAL.
     
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    From an organization for which I volunteer -- ASTT (Advocates for Survivors of Torture and Trauma):
     
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I'm so ashamed that I once considered voting for John McCain, and used to admire him. This legislation is terrifying. These men are devils.
     
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  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    McCain was one of the five key senators bribed by Charles Keating to perpetrate his S&L fraud. I've not been in doubt about his character since. Amazing that Arizona keeps sending him to Washington. Amazing they elected Janet Napolitano as their governor too.

    However, in this massive bill, what are the odds that ANY senator has read more than a synopsis of it? Their staffers do all that. I'd be EXTREMELY interested in learning WHO had inserted that detainment passage.
     
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  18. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    From the Alex Jones 11/28/11, re: exemption the fascists are pointing to that Americans are excluded from these provisions:
    Thanks, Levin and McCain, for the nice bi-partisan effort in ramming through martial law.
     
  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    More alarm, as though more were needed:
    Know your masters.

    If he was right about the TSA list,
    guess I'll start packing for my trip to the gulag...
    Come and get me!

    Breaking news: that noble body known as the US Senate has indeed failed to pass Udall's amendment. Lindsay Graham (what a piece of work) said
    yes,...against it's own people.
     
  20. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Yes, it's that, and the knowledge that this isn't a slam dunk case. The ACLU - and others - are afraid of taking a case they're not sure they can win and thus end up making a bad situation worse if they lose. If they lose, bad case law is created making it that much more difficult to win the next case - even if that next case is a strong one.

    It's really tough.
     
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