Is this for real?

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  2. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    Does anyone in the USA actually care anymore?
     
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    One wonders.

    But we here at TUG obviously do. And BORD, along with all the other organizations that have put together similar petitions, do. We have to keep trying. Even if it all comes to nought, at least I'll go down fighting.
     
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    according to the rabid-monging site info wurz, bids are now being solicited to supply food, sanitation, and portable fences for some of the fema camps....
     
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I read that. I read what the conspiracy nuts have to say right after I read the main stream news. I don't believe it, but I've got a nasty feeling that I don't believe it because I don't WANT to believe it.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, with the passage (in the Senate, at least, with the House surely to follow suit) of the NDAA, who knows what's in our future?
     
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I'm with you on that. This info is so disturbing that it really is hard for us to process, given our standard normalcy biasing. Yet, would the authorities not be shirking their duties by not doing appropriate contingency planning to handle various stages of currency/economic collapse, civil unrest? Of course they have done this and are continuing to do this. Military units, relocation, martial law procedures are probably well spec'd out by now. These plans are also highly classified, with members of congress possessing security clearances being denied access to those plans.

    No one can fortell the future, but with so many really bad scenarios looking more and more possible, each of us had better start doing our own contingency planning. Remember, food distribution (and other goods, but food is a must have) comes to a screeching halt when financial systems and/or currencies fail. You die without food and heat. And lead, which could become a precious metal...
     
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  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That's what I've been hoping. I've been hoping the plans have been some humane way to house huge numbers of homeless families. If I were in a position of power I'd be coming up with such contingency plans. Furthermore, what do we do if the DPRK does nuke the CA coast? The survivors would have to go somewhere for temporary shelter.

    I'm hopeful that the preparations the conspiracy theorists see as threats to our liberty are actually legitimate disaster planning. I wish our goobermint wasn't so obsessive about secrecy. They seem to think Americans would act like frightened children if told about such preparations. In actuality I think we'd feel more secure if we knew.
     
  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Some disasters are preventable, some not.
    How about leaving them in their homes? For food, maybe a humane way to prepare bankster meat?
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Do you know how many REOs, Foreclosures and HUD homes exist in any community? The authorities are going to go ape if homeless people start squatting in them in large numbers.

    As for letting impoverished people stay in their own homes, well that does make a certain kind of sense, doesn't it? As a practical matter, when the municipality turns off the water the house is considered unfit for occupancy. Parents lose custody of children if they remain. The police begin to harass adult occupants. Neighbors tend to turn in families who attempt this. (Sick and sad, I know.)

    If people can't afford to pay their mortgages or their water bills, we're going to see a bit of chaos as our local and state governments adjust to the new circumstances. I happen to agree that letting people stay put is wisest, but it's a course of action that will require a new mindset for authorities. People may begin digging wells and putting outhouses in their back yards. Everybody will have to come to terms with a lower standard of living. It would get really interesting.

    Some people might actually be grateful to move to a "camp" with a safe water supply and reasonable sanitation.
     
  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I suspect paying the water bill is substantially less costly.
    I'm sure the cleansing of the Jewish ghettos, like the demolition of SF's Fillmore, was done for reasons of sanitation. You won't find me shuffling off to some boxcar...
     
  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Water bills can run up to around 750 dollars before the water is shut off. Many poor families live with multiple generations and extended family in one home. Children playing in the backyard with a hose can leave the water on all night and cost the family more than a week's groceries. Leaking toilets are common, as are more invisible forms of plumbing flaws. Neighbors who "steal" water from exterior faucets aren't unheard of either. A frozen pipe can spell disaster.

    The skills involved in surviving and thriving while poor are varied and complex. If you see a poor family limping along month after month, year after year without significant crisis intervention, consider asking them for tutelage in the fine art of getting by. There's a high probability that at least some of the members of this family are highly skilled and unusually intelligent.

    I wouldn't want to "shuffle off to a boxcar" either. That being said, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that that's not what the federal government has in mind.

    The fed's obsession with secrecy is backfiring when it comes to FEMA, (assuming their intentions are benign.) If their intentions are evil then the lack of a good cover story is lending itself to hysteria.
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That was much more hideous and complex. Get a good map & guide book and spend an afternoon or two walking around the Warsaw ghetto. What the Nazis did is just mind-boggling -- it's hard to comprehend the scale of the inhumanity.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    They need to tell the people about contingency plans like this. There could even be drills with partial public participation, in the case of catastrophe. They are afraid of freaking people out probably, and also tipping their hand to those of us who would counter their plans with their own. Like finding a place likely to not be in their dragnet....

    The picture this does show, while perhaps not as sinister as Infowars sees it, is still of an elite few controlling the destiny of hundreds of millions of citizens without their input or knowledge or consent. This is precisely what the founders wanted to avoid, and we have it in spades. We are living under the most powerful country, in terms of military, economic, and surveillance capability, that has ever seen the light of day. This could easily transition to be the most oppressive regime ever. The power is there, you just need the motive and the taking of that power...
     
  15. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That's the trouble with well-intentioned fascists. They don't recognize that those who truly strain to be free are best allowed to escape the fascists' dragnet. Such people really are the minority. They cause less trouble if simply allowed to slip quietly away.
     
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    If I understand it correctly the National Defense Authorization Act also repealed the UCMJ's prohibition against bestiality.

    So not only does the U.S. Senate think it's a good idea to deny U.S. citizens their liberty without any due process whatsoever, but they also think it's A OK for military members to copulate with animals.

    Words escape me. I have no idea what to think. I wonder if Congress will have a lower approval rate tomorrow or not.

    I wonder if they can "Limbo a Little Lower Now." It would be quite a challenge.
     
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I thought that you were inbibing too much of alex jones, so I looked it up and found it here: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senate-approves-bill-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-us-military.

    sheep will no longer be safe near army bases now I guess.

    it's basically completely removing any sexual behavior from the purview of UCMJ.
     
  18. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    We used to refer to uniquely privileged Marines as being able to get away with anything short of buggering the General's cat in front of the flag pole at high noon. I guess that's OK now. What will be declared universally unacceptable? Where's the limit? Don't tell me. That was just a rhetorical question. I really don't want to know.

    This stuff is really abhorant. Nobody will want to talk about it. It makes us cringe. Trouble is - this is real. Those sorry losers in the Senate really did pass this insane legislation. I don't know what they were thinking. Worse, I don't know what their staffs were thinking. These bozos each have staff members to read legislation for them and explain it to them. How is it nobody in good ol' Sodom on the Potomac saw any problems with this? Don't tell me. That was another rhetorical question. I really don't want to know.
     
  19. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Pretty powerful video about this, courtesy of Anonymous:

     
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Tried to listen to the Message linked above. Sadly my hearing is such that I cannot discriminate multiple sounds and the music + multiple voices make the message unintelligible to me. If there is a text of the message I would read it.
     

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