Jet blues: Pills in passenger's carry-on bag set off airport security

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The little Führers have once again saved America for another day ....

    Chico Enterprise Record: Jet blues: Pills in passenger's carry-on bag set off airport security

    After two hours of police time were wasted investigating, they all turned out to be legitmate.
  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I have an unmarked bottle of various supplements in my rollaboard; guess I better not fly commercial out of Chico. :rolleyes:
  3. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    A violation of law- WTF?
  4. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I buy M&M in Costco sized bags and parcel them out in snack ziplocks for travel - will that be a violation as well?

    Cuz, ya know, a peanut M&M could easily be mistaken for ecstasy-*Ahem...I mean a WmD, because they're not looking for *cough* drugs...
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Sounds like another smurf talking out there (expletive deleted). Said (expletive deleted) needs to cite chapter and verse. I do the same with my meds, but then again I know what I'm doing because of my training/profession. Any one going into my meds but me is asking for pandoras box to be opened... and won't be pretty, when it's all said and done!

    Then again there's a particular smurf that claims to be able to identify drugs by sight but has yet to put their money where there mouth is and prove going on two years now.

    Medications are none of there business and not a part of there mission (despite all the (expletive deleted)/creep they claim/have done, and yet to prove they can do there original intended mission ). This citizen needs topish the DA to file for harassment, unlawful detainment & civil rights violations. This shits gotta stop poste haste!

    I hate ... I hate sites that use FB integration for comments. I have a whole protocol, email addresses, username and passwords for posting comments.
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  6. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    He should sue... they violated his rights by conducting a search beyond what was required to determine if he had WEI.

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  7. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Search without a warrant?
  8. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    With neither warrant nor consent. He consented to an administrative search for the purpose of aviation safety, and those who conducted that search violated his consent by escalating the search beyond what was reasonably necessary for the furtherance of that purpose. Discovery of unidentified pills during a search for WEI is neither probable cause of a crime in progress nor evidence of WEI, and both the TSA and the local PD are culpable for continuing the search beyond that point (unless they asked him something like, "you don't mind if we search these, right?" and he gave additional consent).

    The war on drugs needs to be ended for several reasons. High (no pun intended) on that list is that it gives cops, as well as agencies that wear tin badges and impersonate cops, excuses to throw away the fourth amendment. Until that happens, every fourth amendment invasion, no matter how small, must result in consequences in court.

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  9. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    Think of this another way: I got my start in the world of litigation by suing collection agencies. Almost all of us have dealt with a collection agency at some point, and a high percentage of the time, the debt is in dispute. If you dispute a debt, the debt collectors by law must take steps to validate that debt. Many, if not most, ignore disputes and continue to collect. If they do, and you sue, you'll typically get a settlement or judgement of between $1,000 and $5,000 -- even if you actually owe the debt!

    Debt collectors continue to act in this way because they know that 99%+ people won't sue. If they collect $100 from 99 people and give $1,000 to one person, their net profit is $8,900.

    Police do the same with their enforcement of the "war on drugs." They'll violate 99 people who will get scared, plea out, and pay a fine and court costs that can range from $1oo to $2,000 (or more, potentially). Then one person will stand up and sue them for invading their privacy and rights, and they'll pay out $10K+ to that one person, and still make a huge profit. (Incidentally, the TSA gets compensated with the sexual gratification they get by being assholes, not with money like real police, but I digress...)

    This all would stop instantly if every time someone was violated stood up. The nude body scanners would disappear within a week if even 5% of people performed a "double opt-out." Police would start respecting rights if every violation cost them. It's critically important that violators be held accountable.

  10. Not just a violation of law, "probably" a violation of law. Also, a "bad idea". I agree, WTF? And ironically, a bad idea and a probable violation of law is exactly how I'd describe the TSA.
  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Actually there is a law on the books that says it's illegal to have prescription medication in a container other than the one it was dispensed in.

    Usually enforced against Schedule 2 and 3 medications, and ignored otherwise, but if it was a "contempt of cop" situation you could be legitimately arrested for Plavix in a daily organizer.

    But the cops realize that if they bust Granny for her pill box, the chief is going to ask why AARP and their lawyers have taken up residence in his rectal cavity.
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    But it is a contempt of fake cop situation. They have no such authoritah.
  13. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    I've heard this before, but I was unable to find a federal law stating this. I found laws that state it is illegal to dispense controlled substances in un/improperly-labeled containers, but not for possession. Any chance you have it?

    ...and either way, there is no probable cause to assume that a medication is prescription. If the guy just kept his mouth shut, that is.

  14. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Okay so if it's in the same container but no label.....?
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Like most people who take multiple medicines daily I use a weekly organizer. I don't see where TSA has any authority to inspect my medicine and hope they pull that stupid stunt next time I fly although truth be told I am trying to avoid that up to and including driving to Florida from Texas early next year.
    If they try to interfere with my travel on the highways I may very well have brake failure at a very inopportune moment.
  16. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    The Toyota (?) sudden acceleration malfunction?
  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    As for searches at airports.....

    The case that I can think of that is sort of similar is John Perry Barlow's case. He was coming back from Burning Man in 2003 and had pot, ecstasy, ketamine, and mushrooms, either on him or in his checked bags. I think he had the ecstasy in his wallet. He had a wired glove device in his checked bags and that's what the TSA was focused on. But they found the drugs too - at the bottom of an Advil bottle. The court okay'd the TSA's search. Here's Barlow's account. And here is the ruling.

    I can't for the life of me remember what happened after that. He was going to appeal, but I don't know if he did.
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member might be the first reported case of a Lincoln accleration malfunction issue.
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  20. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    I think Lisa has, like a real detective, solved this mystery. The TSA employees involved are morons.!

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