Judge Deals Patriot Act a Blow

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by barbell, Sep 27, 2011.

  1. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Not quite a knockout punch, but the warrantless search provision of the unPatriot Act has been dealt a solid blow by a Federal Judge. There is hope.

    Judge Refuses to overturn Bill of Rights.

    Apparently the FBI misidentified a fingerprint at the Madrid train bombing and therefore used provisions of the unPatriot Act to perform warrantless surveillance on an innocent man, Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield. For all of those people who scream out "Search me! I have nothing to hide!" this should (n.b. should) be a sobering wake up call. This man absolutely had nothing to hide, and yet he was put in jail for 2 weeks, had his phone tapped and his email monitored.
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I remember the case. It's sad that it took seven years to get this decision. That's seven years in which the feds have trampled on the rights of probably hundreds of other Americans. This could open a flood gate for further lawsuits.

    We should all thank Brandon Mayfield for sticking with this for seven years just to make this point.

    Thank you, Brandon!
  3. myadvice

    myadvice Original Member

    So where did the government get the guys fingerprints in the first place? Was he arrested in the past? Or did they use the fingerprints that were provided for an entirely different purpose such as 1) the fingerprints that attorneys provide to become members of the bar? 2) Fingerprints the IRS requires to become a "tax-preparer" 3) Fingerprints required to get clearances for a job (such as to become a child care worker), etc., etc., etc...
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  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Most likely from his fingerprinting before he could be licensed to practice law in Oregon. IIRC, "his" fingerprint was found on a gym bag at the scene of the bombing.

    It irritates the (expletive deleted) out of me to know that my fingerprints are out there. I almost didn't take a job several years ago because fingerprints were required.
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  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Me too -- I feel the same way. I really had to think hard about becoming an attorney because of the fingerprint issue. I ended up deciding to do it because, you know, three years of law school, the professional responsibility exam and the bar exam... that's a lot of pain to go through to not finish it all up. ;)
  6. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I had to submit to fingerprinting when I became a stock broker. Kind of wish that I hadn't done that since that career was short-lived. :oops:
  7. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It's a hard decision. I understand the reasoning behind it, but man, it's tough.
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I was lied to when I gave mine. I asked what happened to my prints after I passed the background check and was told they were destroyed. Even I didn't believe that one.
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  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    In my case I was told that they'd be kept forever. I was really not okay with that, but I did it anyway.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I'm fair gobsmacked that there's actually a US district judge that has something resembling a backbone.
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  11. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Well the prints on file for my clearance are kept on file with the agency that won't give them up without a court order and notifying me first. Then again my prints of today don't match the card thanks to TSA and the petri-dish that is LAX terminal 4 checkpoint.
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  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    We need clones of that judge in every part of the federal judiciary and on the supreme court. what a nice decision and rejection of the police state.

    hope they don't find her floating in the river tomorrow.....
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  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That sounds so quaint. Maybe a Predator strike on an Oregon freeway? :D
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  15. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    He had been an army officer.
  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    They can't let it stand.
    An unfortunate accident recently took an honest SF decision-maker, a City that scanned and printed all its 30,000+ employees ostensibly to act as security workers in case of emergency.
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  17. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Point of information: Gingrich has stated that if he were president he would ignore any and all court decisions that he didn't like, including those of the Supreme Court.

  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yet another reason not to vote for Newt. of course SCOTUS has made itself irrelevant in the matter of civil liberties, but it is REALLY bad form to announce that as a member of one of the three federal branches you don't intend to follow the Constitution at all.....
  19. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Come to think of it, I submitted fingerprints around ten years ago for an AOA badge (to be around the ramp perimeter of my aircraft). I didn't think too much of it at the time, since I had already undergone increasing nonsense in the form of government mandated drug and alcohol testing. I didn't mind the pre-employment drug screening, because why should a private company invest a lot of money training somebody only to find out they fired up a bong in the lav, then got the munchies and cleaned out the F snack basket on their first trip. But random testing is wrong, and since it is done at the conclusion of a trip for operational convenience, is basically theatre.

    So anyway, the TSA still has my prints somewhere, even though I quit the airline. :td::rolleyes:

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