Kids Keep Shoes on in DEN/BOS/ATL/IAH/MIA - UPDATED

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FriendlySkies, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    A friend of mine works for F9, and sent me an email to say that they have signs up at the checkpoints, stating that children can now keep their shoes on when going through the security theater.

    He'll be sending me a photo of the sign tomorrow, so I can find out more details.. In the mean time, has anybody else heard of a similar program around the country?

    EDIT: Just found a link on the TSA website about this:


    Try and try again? :eek: :trash:
  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    So what about the security professionals that have lectured us about how bad guys use children as mules? :rolleyes: The TSA just keeps granting more exemptions to more groups of people that transit the checkpoint as a public relations move.

    Nobody should have to take their shoes off.
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Note they're trying to get a "clear image" of the children under 12 in the Chertoffomizer, and if they don't they molest them.
  4. At this point, I can't even describe how little I care if my son has to take his shoes off or not. It's the molestation I've got a problem with, thanks much. In fact, if we fly again, I'll make him take off his shoes so the WTMD doesn't go off on a clasp or something. And I fully expect to get a lecture about how he didn't have to take off his shoes.
  5. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Good grief.

    I just went over and took yet.another.gander at the sample images posted by TSA.

    The MMW "phone booth" doesn't even "see" the feet.

    Chertoffomizers, oh excuse me, Backscatter blue cancer boxes don't appear to see the bottoms of feet, exactly where something that would be artfully concealed is most likely to be.

    It seems to me that this program will be called a "success". Eventually people can keep their shoes on because apparently that's the biggest complaint. :rolleyes: Well, then people can start carrying bombs in their shoes again. Then what will the mental midgets at TSA do?
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  6. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Repeat exposures are ever better for the kids! :td:
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  7. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    What a farce! Just a few months ago Fuhrer Pistole said children had been used as suicide bombers and to carry explosives, and as such, are a danger to air travel here in the US. He made this statement to a House committee as well as in response to reporters. Now he says that their "intelligence"(it's impossible to use that Aholes name and intelligence in the same sentence) says it is not a concern. So which is it liar, were you lying then, or are you lying now? Somebody needs to give him an insult slap with a glove, preferably with a brick in it. No need to answer that, he was lying originally, as is obvious to everybody outside of the TSA. This is just an obvious attempt to placate traveling families of sheeple and to make it look like the TSA is trying to change. But this is just makes him look more like a horses a$$. This is what he comes up with to make screening better?!

    He must think that parents would look at it like this,
    "Oh, security was great, little Annie got to keep her shoes on when going through security, sure, she still got looked at nude and felt up by that lady, including her mother and I, but she kept her shoes on!"

    What an embarrassment that man is to the FBI.
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    And if they could see the bottom of the feet, then everyone should be allowed to keep their shoes on.

    What about kids going through WTMD? Will they have to remove their shoes? Will TSA still demand that toddler's shoes be removed?
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  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Exactly. More like "their 'intelligence'" was telling them they better change methods before the public's boiling point was reached, or Congress's. Congress should ask how much this "intelligence" cost.:rolleyes:
    I'm curious to know the timing on these directives versus other events in the media.
    Hilarious as the rationale for security theater collapses. You need to check? You don't? As Doober said before, "Which is it?" Mockery is the best weapon. It can't be taken seriously.
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  10. The other thing that's lame about this is that it's apparently a pilot program, yes? If it goes nationwide and there's a very clear effort to re-educate us (i.e. very good, well-placed signage) then maybe it will make the lives of traveling families ever so slightly easier. But if it's a thing where some airports do it, and others take a while to get on board, and the only way you learn about it is by screeners telling you right as you're in the process of taking off the kids' shoes that you don't have to take off their shoes, well, that will just complicate our lives. It's confusing enough trying to take a kid through all of that chaos.
  11. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Just keep the kids away from those molesters. And yes, they are molesters. I don't care what excuses they give.
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  12. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Here's a picture my friend sent me of the sign in DEN.. Sorry for the bad quality.

    My initial thought is similar to the "Junior Clerk" stickers they give to the kids.. Another way to indoctrinate them. It really disgusts me that the TSA gets all cute and playful when it comes to the kids, but treats us with a horrible attitude... Notice the smiling A.S.S. and the colors at the top :rolleyes:

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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Just another variation of shoes in the bin, shoes out of the bin, we don't care what the website says, we're so poorly trained that for the purposes of security we do things differently from airport to airport.
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  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I know mileage varies a ton depending on airport or even shift, but I was pretty impressed by the demeanor, attitude, professionalism of the folks I watched at a couple of airports last week. I tend to be early and yes I hung around watching the security areas. a major airport and some small ones on the west coast. Except for one screening clerk who was excessively heavy handed literally rubbing people hard, I'd give them high marks. So if it's possible to get this at some shifts at some airports, there's hope that this good experience *could* be more universal. I think you need to make anything less than this a fireable offense, really weed out the problem folks ruthlessly. TSA could help itself immediately just by doing that. And of course, making sure screeners keep hands off sex organs, upper inner thighs, the usual private areas. And teach these people how to have light touch, the inexperienced/unskilled guy looked like he was grooming a horse, and that is simply uncalled for. You need the older guys to immediately take him aside and show him how to lighten up.
  15. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Contact with the TSA is a great time to teach your kids how to deal with the "charm offensives" of child molesters. If the TSA is going to provide free training opportunities, go ahead and make it work for you. Use it as a chance for your children to hone their anti-pedophile skills.

    Leave it to the TSA to perfectly model the classic modus operandi of typical pedophiles. Since it's the only public service they've performed to date, we might as well make the best of it. Our Federal Tax Dollars at work. Oh joy!
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  16. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    You know, I've shared this before, I'll share it again. Elizabeth Conley makes an excellent point.

    The saddest thing about TSA, not just with its pedophile acceptance program, but with almost every single thing they do, is how as an organization they are so completely tone deaf to normal social and cultural contexts.

    As a survivor of both childhood sexual and physical abuse, the striking similarities between what happened in my bedroom and what happens now at the airport is frighteningly similar. I know I'm not the only one retraumatized by these procedures.

    But the more important thing here is that, yes, these things are exactly what pedophiles and other predators use. They make it a "game", they say things like, "get over yourself. I can't enjoy this because you're so fat/ugly/disgusting. Do you think I want to do this?"

    It's about them, not you. It's about power and control.

    Seriously, TSA, searching people after they get off a train? Not only is that act both incredibly stupid and ineffective, are you not even remotely aware of the cultural memory associated with such a thing?

    Sticking your hands in people's crotches and saying things like, "Just shut up and let me finish." You CANNOT be serious. These are the things rapists say. And let's get one thing out in the open right here and now. Sex abuse, rape, and all of the other associated acts are NOT about sex for the perpetrator. They are about power. They are about being in control. They are about you being a quiet compliant who puts up with it so they can get on with their day. Sound familiar?

    I honestly don't believe the managers at TSA are malicious people. I think they are incredibly stupid people. They are acting as pedophiles, child abusers, rapists, and Nazis (though I understand how people don't see this connection), and when you call them on the carpet they become offended:

    "What? Don't you know it's for your own good? I'm just doing mah job! Don't you want to feel safe?" Do you know where I heard this exact phrase before I was told it by a TSA supervisor at ATL, almost verbatim? My father said it as he ripped off my pants and began ham handedly fondling my pubescent genitals. When I complained to TSA the response was, not surprisingly what I heard from my father when he was confronted for his actions: "Well, we need to do these things. Other people do them, so we do them. We can't help it that you were there when it happened. We're working with support groups, but we can't tell you who they are. This is for your own good! We don't want to, we just have to. Have a nice day."

    Seriously? Seriously. How in the world can any of us feel safe when we're being terrorized to feel safe from Terrorism? This is nuts!
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Feeling your sex organs sans probable cause is violence. It is forbidden to LEOs for a reason. yet, for these folks, they are allowed to access those parts of your body basically whenever they want to. Looking at the masses of people going through the checkpoint, it is easy to see how calloused they get to this. You are just a body to them, being processed, one of thousands for that day. No malicious intent, no getting jollies off the boob butt and ball search. The prison guards at SS camps had the same non-malicious intent. Just processing bodies. Just doing the job.

    It was a strange difference last week when I flew for the first time since October. I was aware of the blue shirts, even though I knew it was unlikely they would head my way, just enjoying a coffee and waiting for my flight. I'm not worried about terrorists, just about the blue shirts, even though just a little, given the odds. I noticed how my attitude toward them has changed. I don't hate these folks, as many of the ones I saw looked like decent people doing a required job, well, except for one guy. Yet they walk by, with the power to swab me and feel me up, as if they were from a foreign occupation force. It was weird seeing these clerks walk by with that sort of misplaced power. Unreal. They really could help themselves by letting LEO teams with dogs do those kind of walk-throughs. It doesn't engender fear, just disgust and anger.
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Great tag line!
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  19. 4nsicdoc

    4nsicdoc Original Member

    Can I volunteer for that duty? Oh, you probably meant older smurfs, didn't you?
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Blanket party time?....

    BTW, love the graphic. Phantom has to be one of the most graceful fighters ever...

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