Kids Keep Shoes on in DEN/BOS/ATL/IAH/MIA - UPDATED

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FriendlySkies, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. 4nsicdoc

    4nsicdoc Original Member

    Off topic, but graceful is not a term you use when you're trying to turn one at anything less than 300 knots. More like a skidding pig.
     
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  2. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Interesting. TSA attempts to implement more reasonable measures with children and you're still bitching!
     
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    So your current procedures are unreasonable?
     
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  4. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Ouch! He got you, cupcake!!! ;)
     
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  5. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    More like less unreasonable. Either way, it is such a small measure of change that it is immeasurable, and bordering on insulting.

    "Yes little John, you can keep your shoes on now, but that perverted looking man there is going to grab your junk."

    All of the media attention regarding the improper touching of and looking at children, and I don't recall one article about the true outrage being that the little kid had to remove his shoes(not that any of us like this). It's near the bottom of the spectrum on the issues citizens have with the TSA and it's inept practices. In other words, this doesn't change a darn thing about the real atrocities taking place in our country, but you go ahead and shout it as an achievement, god knows your agency does that with everything. Did you hear how proud your management is of the way your fellow employees destroyed a non-dangerous item belonging to an innocent citizen? :td:
     
  6. Yep, I'm still bitching. Because strangers are still apparently empowered to touch my kids' junk if they want to visit their grandma.

    I've always taken pride in being called a bitch, BTW.
     
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  7. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    You need to arm yourself with some facts.
     
  8. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I don't know if you frequented that "other place," but I commented that the current procedures were reasonable. And I believe they still are. However, what was unreasonable was the lack of flexibility for officers to apply judgment for particular situations. I haven't read the new procedures yet, but I am given the understanding that we are finally going to get that flexibility.

    Still, there are those who are going to complain that we're compromising security. There will always be that segment who holds this belief. I think we're finally taking the necessary steps toward true risk management security. It's a tough sell on both sides of the WTMD. TSOs are also going to resist the new changes.
     
  9. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Here's a fact: On April 15, 2008, People's Agitprop Commissar B. Logger Bob wrote, regarding the MMW junkatron images:

    I haven't seen these things posted in any preschools yet. Seems like either (a) Comrade Bob was lying or (b) Comrade Bob's concept of what is appropriate for pre-schools may be somewhat, how shall one say ... unorthodox?
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    What kind of flexibility? Flexibility to not permit things that are clearly permitted? Flexibility to actually required screeners to conform to training they receive?

    I traveled through DFW and LAS these last few days. At DFW I had to Opt Out of the Porno Booth. I was placed in a position where I was not able to see my belongings that had already exited the x-ray and had to speak up loudly several times before a screener on that side of the checkpoint moved my stuff to on top of the x-ray and I was able to then see if anyone was going to pilfer anything. The person doing the pat down asked if I had any sensitive areas I responded truthfully that I do. He said he would not be touching my sensitive areas and he did not. He did not advise about the pat down beyond that question. DFW uses MMW but not with ATR yet.

    LAS D gates checkpoint is set up in a manner that a person can select a none MMW Porno Booth lane (far left screening lane) and I did so select. I was not able to see if ATR was installed. LAS is always a cluster puck and while not very busy seems very disorganized.
     
  11. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Pshaw, I have read the latest newspeak: Here's the opening lies:
    Translated that means the employees of your agency will continue to grope the genitalia of our children whenever they damn well feel like it. Oh, and if the children just look 13, they'll do the whole Pistole on them.

    By the way, another lie your agency tells about children is:

    Oh, they won't "separate" them, just tell the mother or father to stay the (expletive deleted) away from their child while the TSO gropes them.
     
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    So, does that mean they won't look, won't find anything, and then will pride themselves on their great stats? Improved 'processing' times and not a single act of terrorism?
    [Note to embarrassed TSA brass: Change management is not a path paved in bravo sierra].
     
  13. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    You're apparently determined to perpetuate this myth. I won't spoil your sick pedopheliac fantasy.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    ha. maybe not. It looks so easy from the ground....
     
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  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The Blue Angles sure made them look graceful.
     
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  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Here's something non-mythological regarding a 9 year-old potential terrorist:
     
  17. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Maybe if TSA would stop hiring child molesters and forcing the few remaining normal screeners to molest adults and children people would be more supportive of the agency. But when you have a non-stop stream of reports of TSA crimes, gropings and other abuses people are inclined to bitch about.
     
  18. Which ones? Do tell.
     
  19. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Who knows what was in that luggage that was irreplaceable or hard to replace. It certainly caused that person some inconvenience. Beware, I guess, pack only worthless items for the trunk monkeys to destroy.

    Bart, justice is something that is OWED. Therefore there is no need for gratitude when the TSA is grudgingly inching back toward some semblance of civilized and lawful behavior. We will start cutting TSA some slack once they have fully withdrawn from our private areas either by viewing them or feeling them without cause.
     
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    alas, I never saw them in person until they were flying FA-18's. I've been in the cockpit of one at the museum over at Castle AFB though.
     
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