Kindergartner in Cuffs!

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by barbell, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    So, apparently this 6 year-old girl was misbehaving at school. Like really misbehaving.

    The best response? Why call the cops, haul her off in the back of a squad car in cuffs, and put her in jail, of course. That seems totally reasonable. :confused:

    Now, based on what was reported, I'm not saying this girl doesn't have some serious issues, but cuffs? squad car? the local pokey? This country has lost its collective mind.

    Kindergartner in Cuffs for Tantrum

    Perhaps my favorite detail from the article:

    Nowhere else but Georgia would someone think that giving a child a soda would "calm her down."

    Also of note from this article, a 6th grader in Colorado was taken to jail for being "argumentative and extremely rude." Uh, that's what 6th graders do...
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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    How do you physically control a child without risk of harming the child or someone else?

    I think I would have needed to be on scene to judge the actions taken.
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  3. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Well, gee, let's see... Back in my day all they would have to do is tell me they were going to call my mom to come and get me. I was smart enough, even at 5, to know that if she had to take off from work and come to the school because I was throwing a tantrum, my (expletive deleted) would be GRASS! I would have calmed down in less than a heartbeat.
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But today if your mother turns your (expletive deleted) into grass, you just call child welfare and she's busted for child abuse.

    Kid 1, Mum 0.
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  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    There are ways of restraining kids without cuffs, yet another examples of crappy people skills by the cops, or blindly following polices (ala TSA) without thinking for themselves. These types of calls are always interesting to handle, but thanks to some pretty liberal guidelines from our medical director have a bit of leeway in use of restraints or restraining techniques. Typically the parents pose a bigger problem then the child.

    Alot of these issues would stop if parents would actually discipline there kids and not let them "get away with murder"
  6. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Not necessarily just depends on the prosecutor and the officers that show up on scene. In my area its about 80/20 favoring the parents coming out without a scratch.
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    How can a six year old be charged with a crime? They aren't even at the age of reason yet. Zero culpability.
    Why would you involve the police with something like this and have a tiny child like this handcuffed? This speaks VOLUMES about the impotence and inability of those running that school. Too scared or too stupid. I don't agree at all that we'd need to be there to judge these actions. It is simply awful to watch our society disintegrate like this.
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I vote for "too stupid", also "too lazy".
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You'd have to be on the scene?? You've gotta be kidding. They handcuffed a 6-year-old!!
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The kid was reportedly damaging things around them. I can visualize trying to wrap up a child of this age and controlling their movements. Flailing arms and legs presents a high risk of using to much force to restrain the kid or getting hurt yourself.

    I repeat, not having been on scene I don't know exactly how the child was behaving or what risk their behavior presented to themself or others but if the kid was totally out of control then yes handcuffs might have been the most appropiate response to not place additional people in danger. I'm not suggesting that police should have been involved at all but school admins seem to go that route to shift accountability away from the school district.

    Since you found fault with my opinion you tell me exactly what you would have done to restrain the kid.
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Oh my god, any adult is stronger than a 6-year-old child. Hold onto him/her until he/she calms down.
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And depending on how hard the child is struggling risk injuries to the child or yourself.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So you'd call a cop, who's first reaction will be do call for backup and do a beatdown on the brat? Or maybe shoot her?

    I described this to my wife, who works in daycare -- she was incredulous.
  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Having worked at a school for kids with DDs, I realize that a 6-year old having a tantrum could do heck of a lot of damage. However, with a trained staff there should be no reason to call the police. From reading the article, it sounds indeed as if this child has a problem and the school and the police have now successfully exacerbated that problem.

    Also sounds as if the principal wanted some payback.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Selective reading: "I'm not suggesting that police should have been involved at all but school admins seem to go that route to shift accountability away from the school district."
  16. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    And then, if you're a good parent, you let the kid spend a week in a foster home before moving to reclaim them.

    That will be the last time that happens.
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Or just move and leave no forwarding address.
  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    And in many areas (some of them right here near me), the instructor/teacher/administrator that subdued the child would be subject to lawsuits, the end of their career and possibly (depending on just how silly the circus escalated to) registry as a sex offender. It seems that in the current era in too many places, the children are the ones running the schools - due to our incessant legal wrangling over control issues.

    I agree with you that the vast majority of adults would be able to physically restrain a 6 year old with little or no injuries (in most cases). The problem lies in the current state of affairs with the inability of our teachers to mete out appropriate discipline and maintain order properly so that class is truly conducive to learning. I have a couple of friends that are teachers locally, and they make offhand comments about not being able to keep the classes under control at certain times due to the inability to apply consistent discipline, due in part to the muckety mucks in the school system, and outraged/offended/overprotective parents interfering.

    I agree with Boggie, I would have to be there, assess and know the local laws before casting stones.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Did I feel the earth move?;)
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  20. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Hehe, not really, maybe just a removal of one day from the Mayan calendar?

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