Lady With Dagger In Bag Gets Past TSA AT JFK Airport / New JFK security breach

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Are these the highly trained replacements they're busing to EWR to fill in for those sidelined for discipline & retraining?

    Looks like another shutdown for Lisa's list ....

    Gothamist: Lady With Dagger In Bag Gets Past TSA AT JFK Airport

    New York Post: New JFK security breach

  2. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Thousands inconvenienced, caused unecessary expense, all because the TSA failed to have an antique knife "voluntarily surrendered" to them.

    Returning from his father's funeral, my ex had a bequeathed antique and unsharpened knife that had been his Dad's taken from him at the checkpoint. He thought of the old thing as a momento, a possession, --a paperweight, not a weapon--, something to have and hold that was his father's. Lost to these scum.
    (God, I hate these people...)
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This is twice recently that something has been identified after the person has left the screening area. Makes a case that someone or something is reviewing baggage xray images at slightly delayed real time. I'm wondering if the carry on xray images are being sent to some other location for a second look, this would explain the time delay.
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  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I noticed that too. Says much about their frontline capabilities. Wonder how much this extra security blanket costs.
    I know everyone is SO much safer with THE ARREST of Gabrielle Olsen carrying an antique dagger in Terminal 5. :td:
  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I have not heard of a setup that sends the images to a separate viewing area. One thing that it could be is the person running the xray missed something and was relieved to go to another position, and the incoming operator noticed the item on the screen.
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I've thought the same thing.
  7. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Chalk this up as another reason to revoke the ban on liquids. It seems that looking for WEI and deadly liquid explosives (that don't exist) is waaay too much for the micro-brained screeners. :rolleyes:
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  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I don't know that it's having the image resolved at a remote location, or a simple inability of the idiot behind the X-ray screen to tell the idiot at the end of the belt that there's a bag requiring additional screening.

    Having the image resolved at a remote location would add just one more layer for things to go wrong in an organization that can't even train their blue-shirted hydrocephalic chimps how to speak to one another, let alone to the public.
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Color me unsurprised that the bottle got flagged but the knife didn't. Speaks volumes to the caliber of personnel the TSA's got on board.
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  10. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member


    If Blue #1 was relieved to another position, and Blue#2 sits Blue #2 looking at pictures of bags that already passed and not bag currently going through?

    This timeline logic has a bit of a gap. Unless you can lay it out a bit more clearly.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I bet it's SSI.
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yep. Practically copying & pasting a previous comment of mine, because these things just keep happening: Similar incidents in the past 6 weeks: two in Newark, one in LA, two now in New York, one in San Francisco, and one in Sacramento. That makes 7 similar incidents in 6 weeks. Close down the whole terminal and delay hundreds of people and dozens of flights, while the Keystone Kops run around looking for more people to grope.
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have zero evidence to support my theory but it does seem plausable. The person in both cases that I know of had left the checkpoint before somehow someone realized there was something in the bag of concern.

    Now your suggestion that the person was relieved and the next person noticed the item of concern makes me wonder just how long the image is on the screen. The xrays seem to be clear one bag and then bring the next one into screening position. How long does the image of the last items screened remain on the xray viewing screen?

    The root problem is TSA looking for things that present no risk and are missing potential threat items and I honestly do not think liquids that can be carried are a threat.
  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    She leaves the checkpoint at 6:09 am.
    At 6:30 am she is arrested by Port Authority police, called 10 minutes earlier.
    Could they let her pass only to create some dramatic arrest?
    WTF were they doing between 6:30-8:30am??? Getting breakfast?
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "Look! We caught a nefarious knife-smuggler AFTER we incompetently allowed her through the checkpoint and had to call the police after the fact because at the end of the day, we're just uniformed high-school drop-outs hired from ads on pizza boxes, masquerading as a competent security force!"

    Doesn't really seem to work out in their favor if they did it on purpose.

    It still doesn't work out in their favor if it was just a screw-up, coming on top of the last two years of non-stop screw-up after screw-up committed by incompetent boobs, thieves, rapists, and ex-military thugs who for some reason now think it's appropriate to (expletive deleted) on the oath they took to defend the Constitution and treat their own fellow citizens worse than suspected enemy combatants in foreign territory.
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Probably picking their noses & scratching their butts. A shutdown like that that can cost an airline tens of thousands of $ in lost business (trips in vain) and rebooking costs due to missed connections.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    And they are trying to do this with minimally qualified people hired from ads on pizza boxes and gas pumps, most of whom are probably incapable of multitasking anything.
  18. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    So, for every weapon that gets through that they discover, how many get through completely undetected?

    It has to be at least a 1 for 1 ratio and is likely far higher.
  19. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Not to mention being managed by people who couldn't lead a bunch of drunken sailors into a cat house on dollar night.

    Then there's Pissy. A man who couldn't catch a clue if he was doused with clue musk and dropped in a field of horny clues during clue mating season.
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  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Several more news outlets picking this up, including ...

    Examiner: Woman with dagger in bag slips past TSA at JFK Airport

    Village Voice: Woman Gets Through Security At JFK With Dagger In Her Bag


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