Video Latest on the Backscatter Imaging Vans (ZBV)

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Cartoon Peril, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Many folks here will recall the Constitution-shredding ZBV backscatter imaging vanfrom this by its inventor, Beelzebub, er, American Science and Engineering, Inc. ("AS&E"), shown here in this delightful promo film:



    Partial transcript:

    On June 14, 2011, it was announced that NATO had bought some of these vans from (expletive deleted). On July 8, 2011, it was announced that an unidentified East Asian country at ordered an SBV van. Now India as of August 4, 2011, is reported to have purchased one of these vans, ostensibly to protect the recent treasure discovery there.

    Coming to a constitution-free zone, oops, that is, airport near you soon?
     
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't think these will be deployed in the US. To do so now would be an incendiary move at the worst possible time, and this is probably recognized. With everything basically falling apart, why would you want to add not another straw but one huge log to the camel's back? You don't need to make more trouble for yourself.
     
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I believe they've already been deployed in the NYC area & were used at a truck stop near Atlanta a few months ago.
     
  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I think they were also used at a recent large sports event, maybe the Superbowl.
     
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    they were used briefly and got a lot of negative press. They are rather distinctive. I don't see an increased use of them unless the government wants to make clear its intention to impose a police state.
     
  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I'd like to think that, but then I never thought we'd be where we are now. The constitutional/legal issue is rather easily overcome, the key is simply to declare the laws inapplicable in a certain place, and then crank up the radiation/peep show extravaganza. For example, let's take ferry terminals. TSA has been running around scaring everybody about terrorism on ferries, and natch, back in 2004, what did we see?

    Of course the covert purpose of these devices is simply to detect smuggling of drugs and other rather ordinary contraband without need for a warrant. By carefully picking their venues, the legal problems could be overcome, at least to the extent of satisfying our current docile judiciary. I can readily see the ferry situation extended to vehicles entering an airport, as there have been a number of attacks on airport terminals.

    Rather, the problem seems to be more a technical one and an financial one. One of these vans can scan 100 vehicles in an hour. Well, a larger ferry holds over 200 vehicles, and boards them all in perhaps 10 minutes. Basically, to scan every car would put the ferries out of business. Maybe you could randomly scan vehicles, but then the legal problems start mounting up (who gets selected for scan, etc.). Since we haven't seen widespread expansion of these vans since the 2004 ferry experiment (were people warned of the radiation? I think not), it seems that the technical issues haven't yet been resolved on these.

    Note also that this was part of a TSA project called SAIL (Secure Automobile Inspection Lanes). (Clever that, you'll SAIL through!) I'll be writing a bit more on this later, but again, it shows the hands, literally, of TSA are or are intended to be, everywhere.
     
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    SAIL eh? I like the regional protection group a lot better ;)
     
  8. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Why? Because they can and because people making these decisions don't give one rip what the citizen's think. Besides, the manufacturer of this Constitution Shredder on wheels must be financially connected to the fear-mongering-decision-makers in Washington.
     
  9. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    American Science and Engineering, Inc. - who do they have on retainer?

    Tom Blank, with the lobby group Wexler & Walker - A lobby group that represents American Science and Engineering (AS&E) another full body scanner manufacturer. Blank was the former Deputy Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration - essentially Blank is lobbying the same federal department where he was boss.

    Surprise! :rolleyes:

    What's that toll-free number to call when you see a suspicious van driving around? :D
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    See something, say something: 9-1-1
     

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