Lee County Deputies Tied Suspect to a Chair, Gagged Him, and Pepper-Sprayed Him to Death

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Mike, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Torture, literally, by the police in Florida ...

    My Fox Tampa Bay (14 Dec 2011): Photo shows pepper-sprayed prisoner

    Reason (23 Dec 2011): Lee County Deputies Tied Suspect to a Chair, Gagged Him, and Pepper-Sprayed Him to Death



    One good way to deal with the "thin blue line" and the refusal of authorities to prosecute criminal abuse would be to allow private citizens to bring criminal actions in the federal court system. The current scheme isn't quite working when these (expletive deleted) face only civil liablity, which in most cases means that the insurer foots the bill while the (expletive deleted) get together for cocktails afterwards.

    My very first blog (perhaps before the term "blog" had even been invented) dealt with the Ruby Ridge fiasco, and I worked up a proposal for exactly that. It's still online, will find the link.

    When government fails, citizens should be able to step up to the plate.
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This is the link: http://www.ruby-ridge.com/proposal.htm

    At the time, the idea was centered around entrapment & malfeasance by Federal law enforcement (Ruby Ridge & Waco on my mind :) ). Today I would extend that to any violation of civil rights at any level where the legal system fails to do its job.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This country has lost its collective mind. I know that abuse like this -- yes, torture -- has been going on for years -- centuries -- in jails, only it rarely sees the light of day. It's usually perpetrated against poor people, against minorities, against those who can't fight back. But it's getting more twisted. And more acceptable.

    And where do people think these sick shits got the idea of stripping, hooding, and blasting this man?? Oh, but that's right -- we don't torture. We're the USA. We're the "good guys." We only do "enhanced interrogation" (and "enhanced patdowns") or "harsh interrogation."
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  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    The guy was drunk. I wonder what they do to real criminals.
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    What bothers me so much is that this could happen to anyone, and there's no recourse. A husband drives from Ohio to Florida, while his wife worries that he's depressed and should probably be taking his medications to counter his depression. He's arrested, probably for self-medicating with alcohol, and tortured to death with hooding, restraints and pepper spray. His frantic wife pleads all the while for him to be treated for depression.

    The husband dies, and evidence suggests various workers in the jail watched him tortured to death. It wasn't just the perpetrators. Witnesses watched and did nothing to stop the torture. In spite of ample evidence, no one is charged. Even the institution is absolved of all blame. There's no indication of a policy change. If a jail employee suspects a prisoner is being tortured in the future, to whom does s/he report this? What agency is available to intervene if this ones lack of internal discipline threatens a detainee's life?

    I can see this happening to virtually any family. No one is safe from this sort of official malfeasance.
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This kind of stuff happens all the time, and the prisoners have no recourse. I remember the story of a prison out west, I forget where, where the guards actually pitted prisoners against each other, gladiator-style, in a fenced-off area, and took bets on who would win. The prisoners were forced to fight each other. There's no accountability when unlimited, unrestrained authority is involved.
    Exactly. Which is what people who work in penal reform and for social justice in general have been trying to get across to the public for decades. But let's face it -- most Americans don't care. It's all, "well, if you don't do anything wrong, you'll never have to worry about it."

    Same with their attitude towards the gropes, or unwarranted wiretapping, or you name it. "If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?"

    This is what we're dealing with. You can't convince people like that. You just have to hope they one day get their home tossed, or their faces punched. But that's not likely to happen.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    From what his wife said, he also had some psychological issues and was off his meds. They ignored her request to obtain medical assistance so those issues could be addressed.
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