Lihue airport shutdown after strong odor affects TSA employees

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Nov 4, 2011.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Honestly, they let these things work for days on end without hosing them down once in a while, what did they THINK was going to happen?
  2. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    This is what happens if clerks don't steal enough deodorant :)
  3. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member


    This is good, partly because the center checkpoint has a Chertoff Cancer Box, while the other two are just WTMD..
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You'd think that TSA clerks would be immune to odors with the amount of (expletive deleted) they spew.
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  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Some fresh clean air might have accidently leaked into the TSA "Searching for Drugs" Checkpoint.
  6. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    Whatever it was, you can be certain that the side effects do not include increased IQ :)
  7. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  8. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Keep in mind it's a blog and not a "news source". That said, I found this interesting:

    Which is weird, since TSA swears up and down that these things are "more than safe", as if they cure diabetes or something.

    But let's remember for posterity that darling nincompoop Nico Melendez stated in regards to this incident:

    Which is weird, since the TSA won't allow clerks to wear dosimeters. If their health and wellness is paramount, then it is imperative that they be allowed to wear dosimeters. It really makes me wonder what TSA has to hide here.

    I certainly hope the TSA employees at LIH don't develop cancer, but I'm not holding my breath. BTW, do we know if these machines are MMW or BKSX?
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  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    OK, so I see that LIH has backscatter.

    Now, of course there are other things that can cause the following symptoms. However, I find it curious that the signs and symptoms of severe (nb severe) radiation poisoning are as follows, according to the Mayo Clinic:
    • Nausea and vomiting
    • Diarrhea
    • Headache
    • Fever
    • Dizziness/disorientation
    • Weakness/fatigue
    Now, I don't work in emergency medicine, so I have no idea how to work through these symptoms and come to a conclusion of radiation poisoning. However, it is interesting to note that the following signs and symptoms were reported in this case:

    • Dizziness
    • Nausea
    • Headache
    • Vomiting
    So, again, if these machines are so safe, then there should be no issue in immediately issuing every single employee a dosimeter to wear at work and prove that these symptoms are not linked to radiation poisoning.

    Anectdotally I will mention in passing that I used to have a Facebook friend who it turns out works for TSA. At about the time backscatter was installed at her airport, she reported similar symptoms, attributing it to flu. We'll see how she fares now that she's standing around the machine all day, forcing innocent people through it for a paycheck. It seems to me that perhaps there is a learning curve to getting these machines operational. Or perhaps they continue to leak and the clerks just adapt. There's no way to know since TSA won't allow an independent party to test the machines, and Congress isn't taking our complaints seriously.

    I may have to relive my childhood sexual abuse trauma when I fly commercial, but at least I won't be dying of cancer.
  10. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    The TSA may feel they can throw their own employees under the bus with no OSHA oversight, but what about everyone else that transits a checkpoint on a regular basis?
  11. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    LIH has one backscatter at the center checkpoint, in the right lane. When it gets busy, the left (WTMD ONLY!!) and right (RapeScanner) are both open, but during the quiet times (i.e. when five red-eyes to the mainland aren't departing) they just use the RapeScanner lane..
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I have a hunch that once the lawsuits start rolling in claiming radiation poisoning, they'll find themselves up the creek lacking not only OSHA oversight but also adequate testing, compliance with established medical standards, exposure (dosimeter) data, etc.
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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Radiation = odors? Does not compute.

    However, the other symptoms are consistent with radiation poisoning. Since they've failed to properly test the machines & they persist in refusing to allow their employees to wear dosimeters to monitor their exposure, they need a lawsuit or five to get to the bottom of this.
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  14. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Typical signs of radiation poisoning include more then that as there are signs/symptoms in the skin and eyes.

    I will say this if i was called to a scene for something like this at a airport, Im gonna stage well up wind until a certified Hazmat team says its clear and the zone is cold. I dont care if a smurf is in cardiac arrest im not gonna touch a single patient until I know the scene is safe, as putting rescuers in harms danger does no good only adds to the body count. The priorities are my safety, my partners safety, my equipment/rig then the patient, and Im not alone this is what is taught from day one in even the most basic EMS training.
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  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Medic is absolutely correct here. The first thing we were taught in our first responder's course was, "Make sure the scene is safe. Hands and eyes protected." No one trained to respond to these types of things will approach a patient until the scene is first safe for the responder. Period.

    I re-read my post. I don't mean to imply that there was radiation poisoning. Frankly, the "chemical taste in mouth" indicates something else entirely. However, most of us like to think of things in a vacuum. It is entirely likely that there are other things at play here. I think the most likely scenario is that there was some kind of electrical burn related to the backscatter machine, which also cause the machine itself to malfunction. Oh, well, we can't really know since TSA won't let its employees wear dosimeters in their quest to ensure the "absolute safety" of their employees.

    Morons. The entire lot of them.
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  16. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    It could have been any number of exposure's(C/B/N) but will never know and anything is possible when its comes to TSA
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  17. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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