LulzSec, Anonymous, other hacker groups at risk

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Mar 8, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, of course, this is a constant problem. Infiltration, agents provocateurs, quislings, you name it. We don't prosecute financial (and other wealthy, connected) criminals, but we do prosecute everyone else.

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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I can barely turn on a computer so hacking is so far from my abilities not to even merit discussion. With that said does anyone think people that break into other peoples computers are placing themselves at risk? If someone hacked me I would be pissed. If I had sensative personal information stored and it was hacked and splayed all over the net I would be doubly pissed. LEO infliltration into groups doing illegal things I would think should be expected. I don't give a pass to any others doing things illegal, especially Wall Street types and such, they too should be bused, charged, and tried.
     
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, civil disobedience is also "doing things illegal." I guess it depends on what you think is worth risking yourself for. I think what Anonymous, et. al. are engaged in is civil disobedience. And they aren't hacking into the computer of Joe Schmoe to steal his identity and then charge things on his credit card. That's not what this is about.
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Is what they are doing legal under current law? Civil disobedience is a fine line and in my mind these groups have stepped over into territory that I suspect they realize will result in legal jeopardy if caught. If these people are prepared for that then so be it.
     
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    No, it's not legal. That's the point. Civil disobedience is by definition illegal.

    That's why Thoreau spent a night in jail, that's why MLK and thousands of others spent time in jail, that's why resisters of all sorts spend time in jail. Certainly many members of these hacktivist groups know they could go to jail. Many others, I'm sure, don't. Teenagers especially probably haven't thought through the potential consequences of their actions. The prosecution is going after 16- and 17-year-old kids in these cases.
     
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  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's not exactly true. Hackers, like everyone else need food and shelter, and it appears that some of them were living off identity theft: Raid a corporate server, publish the emails, use the customers' credit card info. They might not have hacked into Joe Schmoe's computer, but they did steal his credit card info from a company he had done business with.

    As much as I like the Wikileaks side of all this -- publishing things that shed light on the dirty side of government -- this is not civil disobedience. It is criminal activity, and one by one they are being caught.
     
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Quite the opposite -- civil disobedience is passive & almost always illegal resistance to authority for which you are prepared to pay the legal penalties.

    Active criminal activities, e.g. hacking into computers & stealing stuff, is not civil disobedience.
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Okay, you have a point. Perhaps hacking into computers is more like breaking a window. Count me as someone who doesn't think breaking a window is as serious as perpetrating financial fraud and crashing the economy. Or that it warrants 10 years in jail per count.

    As for what these guys are doing with the info they hacked, if they're stealing from people or destroying their identities, then, yes, that's a criminal activity.
     
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I would say hacking into a computer and taking its contents is more like breaching a bank vault and carrying off the loot. I'm with Mike on this one, I appreciate the wiki-leaks kind of thing but I do feel that what Anonymous is doing is well over the line.
     

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