Mandatory opt-out from TSA screening for Alaska airports

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I understand what you are saying, and I respectfully disagree. Even the Titanic deckhands that helped people into the lifeboats made a difference, even if it was a small one. I am simply not willing to quit while I think I can make some positive change in some way here. I could make more money fixing metal stuff, or working in private security, but I choose to stay here for now, because I can and do make a small difference.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Though if history is any judge, they will be forgiven fifty years down the road. Just look at the Pope.
     
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  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Where would you propose they go? If they're currently working for the TSA, it's either because they enjoy what they're doing or they have nowhere else to go.

    (i.e., they're either a thief, a pervert, a thug, or a complete moron.)
     
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    This is probably the most unbelievable thing I have ever seen in print.
     
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Speaking of which, has TSA issued an order to you all to desist from posting at the other place? It's gone very quiet in the last few weeks.
     
  6. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I have had no order or even a suggestion to stop and have seen no order distributed, I just haven't had much to post about there. I learn more here, and the recent rule changes have made the discussion less.... robust. The name calling and personal attacks should have been quelled a bit, as they were frowned upon to start with, but the tightening of the rules recently make the discussion fairly bland.
     
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Do you really think that would matter? They've also ordered them to stop stealing stuff and quit harassing photographers - but they still do that, too.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I believe that some TSA screeners are limited and have no other options but there are some that could move on if they wished. Other federal jobs, private sector work, heck I will give them free cardboard to make "will work for ?" signs.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The question then becomes, "Why don't they wish to move on and get a real job that doesn't involve violating people for a paycheck?"

    The answer is going to be one of the following: "Because they really enjoy [stealing from passengers|groping passengers|playing the "respect mah authoritah!" game|sniffing grandma's panties|etc]."
     
  10. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Prison. In the cases of those who have performed a post-10/2010 patdown on anyone under the age of 18, prison for a very, very long time, to be spent in the company of prisoners who are all fully informed of the screener's child-touching proclivities.
     
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  11. Interesting. I guess we just make different sorts of life choices. Me, when I see a ship is captained by a psychopath, I get off before it hits the iceberg.
     
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  12. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    In that case, the "very, very long time" will be measured in months and the ex-clerk will leave feet first.
     
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    You don't speak the truth here. It is impossible to believe that anyone who gets groped by you folks likes it or supports it. In fact, NONE of the people I know who travel with any degree of frequency, and I know a good cross section of personalities/political bents, NONE of them like it, think it reasonable, or thinks it necessary. Some of them opt out, some of them get groped because they are large, or wear skirts, or what have you. The degree of dislike varies by person and by the intrusiveness they endured.

    I have seen some screeners do the patdown like it was a patdown, and it was something I would have not much problem with...just like a courthouse frisk for weapons, not reaching up the thighs to the private parts, not rubbing the butts. Perhaps your airport and you do this with this type of skills. I suspect this is why your friend didn't think it a problem.

    I have also seen clerks rub some poor person's butt like it was Aladdin's lamp, and rack their testicles to the point they winced. We have seen videos of young girls being rubbed in their crotches, and the breast touching is likewise beyond dispute.

    The trouble is, we don't know which of these scenarios we're going to run into. By any standard of decency, only your scenario should exist and the other scenario should be met with the appropriate response, imprisonment for assault.

    They pay you. Until that changes, I would never expect you to think other than you do.
     
  14. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Just because I don't speak your truth, does not mean I do not speak the truth. I have read the accounts online, and just like everything else, some of them are honest accounts, some of them are dishonest accounts.

    I have never seen (personally) a TSO rub someones butt like Aladdins lamp, I have never seen a TSO rack someones testicles to the point they winced. The pat down of the breast area on women has not changed since I got here 7 years ago. The way a persons butt is patted down, has not changed since I got here 7 years ago. Anyone that does something outside the SOP, should be held accountable for that - period.

    I am not naive enough to believe that none of the situations described here do not occur, there are people out there that do things wrong, and they should be held accountable for that. That being said, I have never seen nor experienced anything remotely close to what is described here. I have family that fly all the time, and they have not experienced anything remotely close to what is described here. That is why I keep posting the links and requesting for people to file complaints when they have a bad experience - so that there is (at least) a chance that something will come of it.

    I also agree with you that the experience you have in all locations, should be essentially the same - same rules, applied the same way, with the same expectations and communication. Sadly, that is not the case.
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And I will say it again Rugape, TSA doesn't respond to complaints!
     
  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    That's nice. Where's the SOP, so the average traveler can read it and know when a TSA employee oversteps?
     
  17. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Already stated that the rules should be posted for the passengers, several times. Anything that can be learned about the process by watching a checkpoint for 30 minutes should be readily accessible to the passengers.
     
  18. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    But they aren't and that is the crux of the problem. The TSA has declared them SSI.
     
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    So why haven't you posted them?
     
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  20. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I agree. I hope that it changes in the future, and I have pushed for more disclosure to the masses, and for more consistency in the process, so far to no avail.
     

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