Martial Law by Executive Order

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think this was mentioned in another thread, but I've searched and searched and can't find it. Anyway:

    Martial Law by Executive Order
     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Then again, there's this comment:
    We need a lawyer to weigh in here. Sunny Goth?
     
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Another comment:
     
  4. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I don't need a lawyer to know this is a very slippery slope and something Obama detractors have been predicting for a very long time...in other words, create a non-existant threat, cancel the general election and appoint himself supreme leader for an indefinite period.
     
  5. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I need to read the executive order. I glanced at the article and it smells kinda funny to me, so reading the executive order to see what it really says seems reasonable.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't think Obama is strong enough to pull something like that off. Even his party in Congress would have to react and the military is almost always conservative in its collective beliefs so I don't see the military doing much to support such an act. Should he do something like what you suggest I think it would result in another civil war with lines drawn around political beliefs.
     
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  7. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Oh I know - but...I've heard these types of rumblings for a l-o-n-g time now (some of my own family in fact) and his enacting martial law is just fuel to the conspiracy fire...
     
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Don't I recall hearing the same thing about Bush II?
     
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  9. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I humbly submit that the "conspiracy theorists" have a point. Why is it that there is no substantive difference between Obama and McCain or Obama and Romney when it comes to our civil liberties? (Remember, McCain co-authored the NDAA of 2012. It seems probable that if he had been elected in the place of Obama he would have committed the exact same crimes against us Obama has.) Romney has no real principles; he does and says whatever seems expedient to him at the time. Obama is a socialist of the most dangerous and extreme variety.

    Couple that painful reality with the legislation we're seeing. Starting with the Patriot Act, we've seen over a decade of steady erosion of the Rule of Law.

    I don't think the military will play along, but there's little doubt in my mind that there is something pretty hinky going on. The conspiracy nuts think U.N. forces might some day be used against U.S. citizens. I have a hard time taking that threat seriously, but I don't think we should be entirely oblivious to the posibility that they might someday be used to achieve a strategic objective that is not in the best interests of U.S. citizens. A large scale attack - no way. Something small and surgical but catastrophic in its consequence to our liberty - entirely possible.
     
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The U.S. doesn't need the U.N. to "achieve a strategic objective that is not in the best interests of U.S. citizens." The U.S. does that all on its own.

    Everything else agreed, except the "Obama is a socialist" bit. Beyond laughable. Obama is the black Romney, Romney is the white Obama. Obama is a right-leaning centrist. He does the bidding of banksters and corporate tycoons, like most everyone else in politics.

    I am a socialist. I am way, way, way left of anyone in the Democratic or Republican party. If you want to slam socialists, fine; ain't gonna bother me. But at least do it with people who actually are socialists and don't make phony-baloney claims about people who aren't.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's a matter of degree, you just happen to consider yourself to the left of Obama.
     
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  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Not "consider." I am left of Obama. And there's nothing remotely socialist about the guy. If only.

    (And tangentially related, as we've discussed at TUG many times, the left/right dichotomy increasingly makes little sense. I have positions that conventional discourse dictates put me on the right -- my loathing for political correctness, for example. I'm also under no illusions about The State. I don't think the state is the answer to everything. I see why people are concerned about its sticking its nose into every aspect of life. I also don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think the state has a role to play in people's lives -- a beneficent role. Even though it often plays a malign one. I admire the Scandinavian countries. I admire France. I admire aspects of the UK. I don't believe in utopias. I recognize that corruption is a part of human nature, and that in any system, no matter how well intentioned, you will have corruption. I never wanted to live in the Soviet Union. But I also recognize the criminality and abuse inherent in capitalism, even as I recognize the positive things about capitalism. And so it goes.)
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Anyone who would sponsor Obamacare is a socialist. It's a continuum, not a dichotomy.
     
  14. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    That's my view of Obama as well. When I voted for Obama I was hoping he'd be more on the liberal side. But he's not.
     
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  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It is clear that things are coming to some sort of impasse. If you follow financial news, other countries are coming up with currency exchange systems by the day that don't include the US dollar. After Iran was removed from the interbank electronic transaction system (SWIFT) India was threatened by the US for continuing to buy Iranian oil using gold and barter. India yesterday gave the US the finger on this. Japan, the same, China....The US can't remove major economies from SWIFT because this makes SWIFT useless for everyone. The US empire is dollar based-if no one else accepts the counterfeit money being put out by the trillions, our standard of living collapses. I think people in Washington are running scared, and like idiots, the more things are slipping away, the more control they want to try to grab. What's next Barak? You going to start shooting people like Bashar al-Assad?

    Huge numbers of people in this country will not accept a government like the one Obama seems to be putting in place.
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, then Romney must be, too. Because Obamacare is Romney's Massachusetts Romneycare.

    This conversation is so ridiculous. Obamacare is a valentine to the insurance industry. It's loading up the pockets of corporate America, while still screwing average people.
     
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There are plenty of Republicans I would regard as socialist. There's been an enormous shift leftward in the last 50 years. There are differences in degree and in specifics, but there are tons of socialists out there.
     
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Sorry, another bit of hilarity. The shift to the right in this country over the past 30 years has been profound.
     
  19. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    whether to the left or right, the shift is starting to hit the fan.

    Actually, you're both right: fascism (national socialism) and socialism are very nearly the same thing. Both are state totalitarianism, which is what we've been headed for since the 1930's. It's here now--centralized control of everything including the economic system and the financial system. We in the US have this weird mis-perception that we're free, as more and more shackles are attached.
     
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The Scandinavian countries are socialist (mixed with capitalism of course), and they're far from totalitarian.

    The problem in this country is too many people equate "capitalism" with "democracy." We live in a kleptocracy. Corporations are the government and government is corporations. With some exceptions, of course. But the incestuous nature of our governance is so entrenched that corruption is rampant. The unspoken but baldly demonstrated philosophy is, "Privatize the profits and socialize the losses." And yes, the (expletive deleted) is hitting the fan.
     

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