Meh, Magna Carta Schmagna Carta

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Bagram jail detainee unlawfully held, court rules
    Appeal court tells British ministers to ask US to end Yunus Rahmatullah's seven-year ordeal at notorious Afghan prison
    [quote]The government has been ordered by three senior judges to secure the release of a Pakistani man captured by British special forces and held by the US in Afghanistan's notorious Bagram jail without trial for more than seven years.[/quote]
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'm surprised that the British even think they have a "right" to habeas corpus given that they've largely trashed their constitutional system with parliamentary supremacy. Our founding fathers were very wise in hindsight to have codified our "inalienable rights" in the Bill of Rights rather that rely on the existing constitutional guarantees as some wanted to do.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But our rights are also being shredded before our eyes.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But unlike the British at least we still have a piece of paper that says we have rights.

    The Brits only have what Parliament says hasn't been taken away.
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    but Mike, what good does that paper do us when those subject to it treat it as a blank page on which they write whatever they want? "the passage you quote on illegal search and seizure (4th) actually means that we can feel under your scrotum and give your wife a breast massage at our whim". That, after years of law school and law practice.
    I guess we can point to the actual words and use it to rally around. It's lost its proscriptive force against our government now. Federal officials and the judiciary just ignore it.
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    As Robert MacNeil (Canadian) wrote long ago in one of his books, "My ganglia do not quiver when someone mentions the First Amendment."

    And he respects it more than millions of Americans.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It means you see have the basis on which to demand change & reform. It's a lot better than nothing.

    Some of you are just too much in the defeatist camp.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    “If large numbers of people believe in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech even if the law forbids it. But if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them.”
    -George Orwell
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Update on this story:
  10. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    When the going gets tough, the tough take a vacation. :rolleyes:
  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    So did the citizens of the former USSR.

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