Miyamae May Be Fined by TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Mike, you of all people are not that naive. If you think I let my personal feelings influence how I train, boy, you are a huge disappointment. I understand you have to feed the anti-TSA rhetoric on this web site, and that's ok with me; otherwise, you'd lose members in droves. In the end, I truly don't care what you think. I know the truth of how I train my officers. I'm just disappointed that you've elected to stoop to such cheap shots. I expected better than that from you. Others (one in particular) no surprise. But you? I think I'm going to suffer a significant emotional event here.
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Me, pumpkin? :D

    Yes, you do care which is why you responded. ;)
     
  3. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    She physically assaulted a TSO by grabbing her breast by the nipple and twisting. That's unacceptable. There are other ways to express disagreement with TSA policy. Physically assaulting TSOs is not one of them. The banter that goes back and forth in here is healthy to some degree. Some people need to vent, and this site gives plenty of room for venting. Others come here in the hopes of starting a movement such as writing CongressCritters or some form of legal protest. I don't object to that; I celebrate that as one of the things that makes the US such a strong nation. But to support someone who resorts to violence is something I find deplorable and indicative of the true nature of certain people's character. However, even at that other place, there were plenty of forum members who disagree with TSA policy but also found her actions unacceptable. So it's encouraging that not every frequent flyer is a fanatic.
     
  4. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    No, not you. In fact, I consider ours a pretty healthy exchange of opposing views. You don't resort to personal attacks. You don't yield on your position but are willing to read opposing views. I respect that.
     
  5. snapstoo

    snapstoo Original Member

  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Agreed that such an action would be unacceptable.

    Except that's not what happened, according to the DA who chose not to prosecute.

    Of course, some people will believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. There's no stopping them...
     
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    If you had read various news accounts, Bart, instead of swallowing the pabulum routinely spooned out by your agency, you would know that Miyamae didn't "slap" anyone. She put her hands up to try to protect her breasts from being grabbed.
     
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    If that were true, and if you were being philosophically consistent with your purported beliefs, then you would find what the TSA does every day to thousands of people "deplorable." Funny how that works.
     
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    So "swarming" to intimidate and frighten passengers who are refusing to stand still and be assaulted really is TSA policy. Thanks for that confirmation.
     
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  10. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Bart, beyond the "Tit for Tat" headlines, my sympathies were dramatically changed when I heard her speak in an interview.

    She was abducted as a child, panicked at being surrounded, put her hands out in reactive self-defense--and being only about five feet tall-- accidently caught the chest level of a TSO. The TSO got angry and said, "You touched me!"--Not "Ouch!" or anything that might have corresponded with the actions in the embellished police report. The police encouraged a false sexual assualt claim, and that whole angle was immediately dropped by the judge.

    So while I can understand that the TSA may want to make an example of someone who DOES attack a TSO, this is NOT remotely that case.
    Better to learn from this as to what NOT to do, and to expect that trauma victims will react to physical invasion.
     
  11. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Which again proves, as I've said time and again, that TSA does not consider the ill effects of their decisions.

    As an organization they cling to their "might is right" "ends justify the means" mantra and blindly go about touching people, then become offended when they, themselves, are touched.

    Really, Barbara O'Toole, the TSO in question here, really needs to get over herself. I'm sure that like most airport security screeners I've seen she's nothing to write home about and should be grateful that someone would touch her.
     
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The TSA as a whole can't grasp "Don't bark at people and claim you're being 'respectful.'"

    What makes you think the subtleties of dealing with real trauma victims is within their admittedly limited scope of empathy?
     
  13. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    One of the things I value about our exchanges is the awareness you bring about assault survivors. May not mean much to you, but I take that back with me to the classroom when I train TSOs. We have plenty of materials about one aspect of passengers with disabilities such as vision, hearing, those with medical implants or augmentation devices and a whole list of other "traditional" situations (if I can be permitted to use that term so loosely). However, one of the situations NOT addressed directly (it is addressed in a very indirect way) are rape victims or others who survived traumatic assaults. (Didn't mean to imply that victims should be regarded as having disabilities; just meant that the closest thing we have to situational awareness of a passenger's unique needs is the passenger with disability; that's it.)

    I don't know how successful my efforts will be. All I can guarantee you is that I will do my best to communicate this to the officers in my charge; hopefully they will do a better job in these situations.
     
  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Bart, as someone who has also survived sexual abuse, I want to thank you for taking the time and effort to do such.

    But as the quoted part of your post illustrates, TSA as an agency is incapable of understanding in any way how their processes affect a significant portion of the population.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It would be more accurate to say that the TSA is composed of individuals (and rather a lot of them) incapable of that understanding
     
  16. snapstoo

    snapstoo Original Member

    Does cupcake need a hug?
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Anyone who's been watching the news reports on the TSAs more egregious cock-ups can make an educated guess on just how effective your efforts won't be.
     
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  18. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Your agency should have thought of that a long time ago. That the agency did not is yet another one of its many failures.
     
  19. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    LOL. That's Monday Morning Quarterbacking on your part. I will concede that when TSA did away with the hand wand and went to the pat-down as the primary means for resolving secondary alarms, someone should have thought of that. Problem is that it's difficult to sort it out with all of the hyperbole that comes in the form of customer complaints. So I'll go along with you part way on that.
     
  20. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This is not a football game.
     

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