Miyamae May Be Fined by TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    It is a very difficult topic. I don't know if it's just TSA that has failed to take this into account or if it's something that applies to today's society as a whole. Going to get a little crass here, and I don't mean to offend, but we go head-over-heels trying to by sympathetic to drug and alcohol abusers, and we break substance abuse down to a whole bunch of little subcategories. But sexual abuse is, in my view, one that is overlooked except in extreme cases. I don't know if it's because victims remain silent or if this is an awareness that is just starting to become more public. My guess is that the perception was that this was limited to certain stereotypical situations, and if a person didn't fit that situation then it was a non-issue. I'm guessing and, again, don't mean to offend. I'm just pointing out that it is certainly something that needs to be taken into account if a TSO is about to pat-down an abuse survivor.
     
  2. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    If this were a "pat-down" there would not be so great an issue. It is far more than that, far more offensive, and it ill-boots the agency to pretend otherwise.
     
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    How is a TSA clerk going to know the person they're patting down is an abuse survivor, unless the survivor is required to divulge personal information that has no bearing whatsoever on their supposed danger to flight security?
     
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  4. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I'm waiting for your recommendation how such a person should be cleared if they alarm the walk-thru or AIT scanner.
     
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Wand 'em. Same way they were cleared pre-9/11.
     
  6. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    And post 9/11 until November 2010.
     
  7. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    And as they are currently cleared in most other countries, including those at more significant risk for a terror attack.
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Maybe they will throw the whole bookcase at her so she can bring TSA before a judge where evidence has to be submitted and she can show she was assaulted by TSA. Regardless of what the ALJ determines the door to all appeals are opened.

    I'm thinking TSA will do anything to avoid that from happening.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So are you saying that you don't lead by example?
     
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Given your claims that you've been with the TSA since the beginning, why didn't you think of it and raise your concerns? You're supposedly an expert in that sort of thing, aren't you?
     
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It's a total crock, Bart, to pretend that the notion of trauma to survivors of sexual assault is just now coming to the fore. This has been talked about and written about and blogged about and reported on for the past 19 months, ever since the TSA's Reign of Molestation went nationwide. And you want us to believe you guys are just waking up to it now??
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    It has been reported that she did not do these things and given how TSA employees have a history of being dishonest and lying under oath, i.e., Phil Mocek, anyone would have to question the honesty and integrity of all TSA employees involved.
     
  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I'm not anti-TSA. I criticize the TSA's many failures. Such criticism is not detrimental to security, it in fact contributes to security.
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Given the attitude evidenced here as well as at the checkpoints, I'm pretty certain he does. Right up to the utter contempt displayed for people who're actually going places.
     
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  15. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I don't think we have to go that far. I don't accept that an entire agency can be composed of liars. That would be difficult to arrange. There's a TSA employee who posts on this site who seems quite a reasonable person. The simple fact is that the DA declined prosecution, and it seemed that the initial stories about the affair were highly inaccurate, but where those inaccuracies came from is unknown. Obviously the government had insufficient evidence, but beyond that, we're not in a position to judge credibility.
     
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA reportedly has hundreds of $100,000+ employees. Shouldn't just one of those people have the brain power to think through the issues with various screening methodologies that TSA keeps dreaming up?
     
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    They don't care that's all there is to it.
     
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    ...and that's what makes them a collective of liars.

    http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/mission.shtm

    To enhance mission performance and achieve our shared goals, we are committed to promoting a culture founded on these values:
    • Integrity:
      • We are a people of integrity who respect and care for others and protect the information we handle.
      • We are a people who conduct ourselves in an honest, trustworthy and ethical manner at all times.
      • We are a people who gain strength from the diversity in our cultures.
    • Innovation:
      • We are a people who embrace and stand ready for change.
      • We are a people who are courageous and willing to take on new challenges.
      • We are a people with an enterprising spirit, striving for innovations who accept the risk-taking that comes with it.
    • Team Spirit:
      • We are a people who are open, respectful and dedicated to making others better.
      • We are a people who have a passion for challenge, success and being on a winning team.
      • We are a people who will build teams around our strengths.
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I didn't say all TSA employees are dishonest but enough have been shown to be dishonest that it is only reasonable to carefully investigate any claim made by all TSA employees.

    TSA has allowed this to happen, not the public.
     
  20. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Oh, as an institution, TSA is built on a stinking heap of lies. I believe however that there still may be a few individuals, perhaps even many, who are still honest, within the structure. In fact, I know there must be some, and until TSA can convert every one of them, the agency's current search regime remains vulnerable to basic human decency.
     
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