Miyamae May Be Fined by TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 5, 2011.

  1. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Kind of like people who claim that being forced into a back room for a strip-search under a paper drape qualifies as an "administrative search."
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  2. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I, too, don't know the details other than what was in the initial press release. However, I have seen strong cases going in turn out to be complete flops because a witness balked. The issue wasn't the substance of what the witness said; it was the witness caving in when cross examined. Happens all the time; more than what would make some folks comfortable to accept. All part of the "strategery" I suppose. Difficult to tell if the witness caved in because the story was weak or if it was because cross examination is tough.

    My recollection:

    Lawyer: "Isn't it true that burning marijuana smells a lot like burning rope?'
    Witness: "Yes, sir."

    Lawyer: "Then how can you be sure that you didn't smell burning rope?"
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  3. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And let's not forget that Mica has a dog in this fight.

    While I appreciate the anti-TSA comments he makes, I certainly don't trust him, either.
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  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Lawyer in that case violated one of the prime rules of cross-examination, which is "Never ask a question on cross-examination that doesn't call for a 'yes' or 'no' answer unless it doesn't matter what the witness says." Most lawyers learn their cross-examination technique from watching A Few Good Men or Law and Order and therefore have no real idea how it is done in real life.
  5. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    So did Rosa Parks. What's your point?

    The woman was pushed over the edge by aggressive idiots.

    That's all it is to you - compliance.

    You don't care about right and wrong, only about unquestioning, unwavering adherence to a gargantuan corpus of rules.

    She could have handled the situation better, however the operative question here is whether she constitutes enough of a threat to society to be run through the legal meat grinder in the name of compliance with law and order. The government, which formerly represented we the people, is supposed to be tasked with the protection of the people, not the complete and total domination of them. No harm, no foul, ask her to leave and go on. While her hand may have been responsible for contact, the overriding legal question should be whether her state of mind should be held responsible for the hand.

    If I were on the jury, I can promise you I would nullify this (expletive deleted) of a case. Of course, there won't be a jury trial, because the TSA has become its own judge, jury, and enforcer. It might as well just start direct debiting the bank accounts of dissenters, rather than wasting the resources on farcical administrative hearings designed only to give the illusion that the verdict wasn't reached in advance.

    The law is a tool to keep good people safe, not a chained doberman to be released the first moment the rules permit.
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  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Dear TSA,

    Please, please, please fine Myamae $11,000 dollars for defending herself from sexual assault during your perverted "screening" process.

    8th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    This should be good. No matter how the judge rules, you bozos will lose big time in the court of public opinion.

    Besides being inherently evil, you dirtbags are seriously shortsighted. I'm going to enjoy watching you squirm.

    PS - It took a really sadistic person to get off on writing such threats to someone as vulnerable as Myamae. It comes as no surprise to me that you have such sickos in your employ. I want to thank you for putting this repulsive POS in a position to thoroughly embarrass you with that letter. Your appalling lack of sensitivity has led to still another public relations disaster. You're a textbook example of how NOT to win friends and influence people. Keep on being disgusting. You are your own worst enemy.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There was some report (GAO?) discussing the large number of TSA HQ staff and how high their salaries are. My viewpoint remains (based on observation) that TSA is overstaffed and does a remarkably poor job with the excess staff it has.
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I just love Bart! He provides constant insights into his, and the TSA's, character.

    First of all, it's "rein," not "reign." Though I think I'd enjoy being a Queen for a Day, it doesn't seem to be in the cards.

    Second, we've discussed at TUG many times precisely the attitude exemplified by your remark: the condescension, the one-upmanship, the presumptuousness, the arrogation of a "rational" frame of mind in contradistinction to the "emotional" tone of the person you're trying to put down. In short, the quintessential attitude of officious TSA clerks whose favorite line is DYWTFT. Thank you for confirming our conclusions.
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You left out "contempt."
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  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Especially when it comes to their training. Or lack thereof. Link includes the OIG report on how the TSA is missing their training goals more often than not.

    Any lawsuit naming the TSA or an individual TSA clerk should subpoena their training records.
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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That's why I spell it "supersillyass." Supercilious behavior always backfires messily.
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  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Administrative Law has been used by federal agencies to eviscerate our U.S. Constitution. The more the TSA and other lawless agencies act out, the more attention they bring to the issue. While the main stream press merrily fiddles and Rome burns, you find a deep seated loathing for FEMA, the FDA, DHS, IRS and TSA among ordinary U.S. citizens from every segment of the political spectrum. The winds of change are blowing.

    I say "Go ahead dirtbags, keep showing us your very worst behavior. Keep rubbing Americans' noses in the filth our complicit judiciary lets you get away with. Please, please, please, keep on doing your worst to America's best. You're digging your own grave, one violation of the U.S. Constitution at a time. The more battles you fascist scum "win", the more probable it becomes that you will lose your war against our civil liberties."
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  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    TSA will not go to court over this, period. It is a loser for them at every level.
  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Orthography errors can be forgiven, after all this is the English language where pain, pane, and campaign all rhyme, and dough, slough, and tough do not.
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  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Ghoti is pronounced "fish". Gh is f as in enough. O is i as in women, ti is sh as in attention.
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  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    In Coptic we spell that TBT, pronounced as spelled -- Copts don't need no stinkin' vowels.
  17. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    She's no Rosa Parks. Nice try, though.

    There is a right way to do things. Resorting to violence is not it. I strongly encourage using the comment cards available at a TSA checkpoint, emailing TSA or complaining to the airline station manager. These are excellent resources when used effectively. You claim the law is a good tool but advocate violating that law. I'm not saying to not take action; I'm saying to take action within the context of the law.
  18. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I kin spill...smtimes I jes cnt tyyp
  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I know. That's not my beef with Bart. Just pointing it out to him so he can correct it in future put-downs.
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Comment cards! I love this guy! Thank god I can come here for a daily does of humor.

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