Video Mom stands up to TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Monica47, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    5 minute video shows mom standing up to TSA regarding 3 year old daughter in wheelchair:

  2. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    (expletive deleted)-wipes
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    well, the clerks did handle this reasonably well. they're apparently used to people just letting them handle their kids however they want. slavishly following a stupid procedure though. why is TSA paying for ANY education of these clerks when they are required to act like this with no judgement whatever?
  4. The new rallying cry for toddlers in the era of the TSA: "I don't wanna go to Disneyland!"

    I also notice how this mom is on to the fact that the TSA checkpoint is largely a dragnet for drugs.
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  5. mikew68

    mikew68 Original Member

    Would it have been prudent for the Mom to demand to see the ASD or FSD ?
  6. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    This time TSA terrorizes a three year old girl in a wheelchair. And many citizens and those in government are proud of the job these "brave" lowlifes are doing.
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  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    How can these TSA animals call themselves human? Truly, what threat did this child present?

    When TSA resorts to attacking children then I think we know who the real terrorist are.
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Relax, we've all been saved from the pink-wheelchair-baby-martyr. You can go back to sleep now.
  9. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    While she may have deemed it prudent (or in a similar case, you may deem it so) and a passenger can demand that, in the vast majority of cases, the (I am taking a stab that you meant AFSD) AFSD and/or FSD are not actually at that location, or may not be in the building at that time. The most likely request to be readily accomodated (read that to mean able to make happen within a reasonable time frame) would be for a TSM (Transportation Security Manager), and there should be at least an acting TSM on duty to respond to those requests. These requests can also take time to get the TSM to that location, especially if they are in the farthest reaches of the building or in a meeting or otherwise occupied with a similar situation in another checkpoint area. The time involved can vary wildly depending on what airport you are at - at my airport, you can walk the longest path from the end of one concourse to the end of the other in about 15 minutes with no interference, at LAX, we would walk for 15 minutes to get from the front door to the food court in some cases.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Now that's over the top.

    It's unfair to animals to compare them to the soulless, evil, and stupid induhviduals "employed" by the TSA because they either enjoy their "work" or simply lack the skills and motivation to find honorable and gainful jobs.
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have to admit I had trouble picking a descriptive word that would not violate community standards.
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Perhaps "TSA employee" has become its own sufficient epithet.
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  13. TSA News Blog

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    I wish I could say that this is a new low for the contemptible thugs in blue for whose equipment and “services” taxpayers pay billions of dollars every year.
    Sadly, it isn’t. It’s just par for the course; another Day in Despotism here in the Land of the Meek, Home of the Afraid.
    In case you couldn’t bring yourself to watch this indisputable display of abuse — this disgusting mistreatment of a little girl and her family about which her mother and father comment “look at her all dressing like a potential terrorist/drug trafficker; people who roll in on hot pink wheelchairs, wearing a gingerbread coat and clutching a stuffed baby lamb, are just begging to be harassed” — let me itemize the violations and absurdities at hand (perhaps you can identify more; as a mother myself, I’m too upset by what I just watched to further research the laws, statutory and logical):
    First, there is the obvious Fourth Amendment violation against unwarranted search and seizure. I don’t care what kind of pretzel logic the TSA twists itself into parroting in order to justify groping a three-year-old in a wheelchair who’s on her way to Disney World: it’s a violation of her Constitutional rights. Period. Full stop.
    And this should not stand. Not in the country that calls itself the United States of America. Citizens and residents who accept otherwise should not only be ashamed of themselves, but should, in my opinion, be constantly, and in strenuous terms, be made aware that they’re engaging in a kind of treason against the very freedoms the nation’s founders established (and countless fought for and died to protect), and thus, by extension, debasing the idea of America itself.
    Second, travelers are indeed permitted to photograph and/or videotape the so-called “screening procedure” (more accurately, security theatre), including aggressive pat-downs that would be defined as sexual assault in any other context and nude photography of their bodies. The only subject matter exempt from passengers’ freedom-to-document are the screening machines themselves. As shown in the above video, these TSA screeners try to claim otherwise and keep harping on their imagined rule that the passengers can’t record the incident, even as the parents ask them to cite the actual law pertaining thereto.
    Third, the tactics here are insensitive and unkind on their face, as well as pointless. Not only is this little girl so obviously terrified to the point of crying out loud, and desperately upset that her comfort toy — her stuffed animal — is being taken away, she is distraught that her parents’ attempts to protect her are being summarily ignored. Imagine how frightening that must be. If indeed the child “alarmed,” the screeners could have resolved the matter by allowing one of the cleared parents to carry her through the metal detector in their arms while they checked her wheelchair for hidden bombs, machetes, or fusilage-piercing grenade launchers.
    What will it take for the American public to recognize how wrong this is, all of it, and demand that our so-called leaders put an end to it? Why are citizens not carrying out a full-on economic boycott of the airlines, for all non-essential travel, if need be? What will it take, if not the unconstitutional persecution of a little child in a wheelchair?
  14. What I don't understand, in these situations, is why they can't bring themselves to be friendly and customer service-y. It's pretty straightforward for any job in which you're interacting with the public. Instead of apologizing for the stupidity of the procedures and the delay in figuring out what to do, they're all with the escalating and posting of guards, and refusing to give a little girl her animal to help her deal with the (expletive deleted) they're putting her through. They really do see a little girl and her doll as guilty until proven innocent, even though logic dictates that the chance of her being a mule is so miniscule it's really only theoretical. They also seem to have no sense of why a mother would get defensive and pull out her phone to record when mean-acting aparatchiks with criminal reputations start talking about patting down a crying little girl. When they act on the assumption that the little girl and her lamby are wired to explode, they betray the absurdity of what they're doing and lose compliance. It's all around stupid tyranny.

    Obviously there's more I don't understand about this nonsense, but a customer service attitude would go a long way in making things go smoothly, which the TSA would seem to want: smooth violations of people's rights met with docility. That's probably why they're starting to send their employees to remedial manners classes or whatever, though I doubt people chosen from the bottom of the hiring pool can be taught much of anything.
  15. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    The upside is that the worse they continue to screw up, the more it will piss people off and the louder the people will clamor for blood.

    In a way, in a sick and twisted way, I'm glad that TSA has been as staggeringly horrible as they have. It's the difference between "Wow, I dunno, that just doesn't seem like a good idea" and "Oh, (expletive deleted) no, you have GOT to be kidding me."

    We want as many "Oh (expletive deleted) no" responses as we can get from the general public. The more TSA tries to nicey-nice up its interaction paradigm, the more willing people will be to ignore the unconscionable things its employees are doing as part of their standard job duties.
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  16. Yeah, as the paradox twists and turns, the TSA is ultimately SOL. I don't think there are enough people with the empathy required for good customer service that are willing to do such a disgraceful job. They hired heartless thugs because heartless thugs are best suited for the job. Except, you know, in the wonderland of the Carolinas, where all the aparatchiks shake your hand and treat you like family while they're trampling your rights and fondling your resistance.
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  17. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Damn, the AFSers are coming out of the woodwork on that TSA News Blog article. RB and I are putting up a fight but additional firepower is welcome.
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Screw 'em!
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    Caradoc Original Member

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    saulblum Original Member

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