Video Mom stands up to TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Monica47, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I couldn't care less if they apologize or not. They need to be fired - either because they're too fewkin' stupid to have absorbed the whole "photography is not prohibited" part, or because they deliberately lied about it.

    There's no wiggle room, there.
     
  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can offer you no explanation. I have even explained to a former co-worker that they did NOT, in fact, have the right to not be filmed if they were offended by it. It was escalating to an argument when I explained that they needed to read the court cases pertaining to fillming in public and the rulings by the SCOTUS before they could fully understand the legality of filming in public forums - ALL public forums. I did not have a problem with them afterwards. There is simply no excuse for the outright wrong seen in many of these vids, the rules and regs on photography are simple, and in black and white, and are required during training. There is no valid excuse that I can find in the vast majority of cases where someone says video is prohibited. The only way that I can see saying something even remotely close is to ask someone to move if they are impeding the checkpoint, or to stop filming the screens on the equipment - maybe if there was an emergency situation where public safetly is at stake... Other than those mentioned situations, shut up, do your job, be professional and get the people through and on their way to their flight - it is just that simple.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    "It is just that simple."

    Apparently not for TSA sceeners.
     
  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    It really is just that simple. Do the job, follow the SOP and be professional. If our workforce would do that in totality, a ton of our problems would go away and what would be left would be policy discussions, which is what the primary conversation should be, not the unprofessional conduct of TSOs. The latter discussion should be an anomoly, not the everyday subject matter.
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Has anything gone out to screeners about this incident?
     
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Was your former co-worker not trained properly, or were they simply employed by the TSA despite being untrainable?

    Or were they lying?
     
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And yet it is an everyday subject matter, because your co-workers are either not trained, poorly trained, or lying.

    None of those three is a good thing.
     
  8. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Locally, we have reinforced the stated photography regs, I can't speak for other locations.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I was wondering if hq sent out a directive.
     
  10. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    We don't always know if messages or training came from HQ, we just have the training or message and the accompanying followups/focus.
     
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Given the volumes of "incorrect guidance" from TSA employees on YouTube, the only conceivable directive is "lie about it until caught, then deny that it happens."
     
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You could speculate, but there's no plausible explanation for this sort of egregiously incorrect behavior that could possibly cast your co-workers as anything but dull-witted, simple liars.
     
  13. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    There is no explanation for the "volumes of 'incorrect guidance'" other than an organized, active disinformation campaign by the Agency. 50,000,000 efforts to intimidate can't be wrong.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It makes you wonder then, whether these incidents represent not ignorance on the part of those involved, but a willful attempt to circumvent the directives on the part of some employees even higher ranking ones. Some of these folks seem to be making a side argument for forbidding the filming--the claim that "you are disrupting me". At base is the desire not to be flimed and YouTubed.
     
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  15. So far nobody's stopped them from making up their own rules so they keep doing it. It may not be much more complicated than that.
     
  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I get the feeling that some FSD's are telling their people to try to intimidate passengers who are filming or taking photographs in order to get them to stop, hoping said passengers don't know any better. In this case, they picked on the wrong person.

    Which leads me to another question for Rugape: What is it with the intimidation of passengers through "swarms" of screeners surrounding "obstreperous" passengers? Is that part of the training program?
     
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I agree. This behavior is just way too common for there not to be some deliberate, at least semi-organized, attempt to discourage TSA's victims from creating photographic documentation of their abuses.
     
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  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    We should all note that nothing from TSA has stated an intent to deal with TSA liars and bullies. TSA has no plans to change anything.
     
  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Except they always say it's not allowed. Implying violation and legal consequences.

    At best, it could have had a kernal as a misinterpretation of directions that started for our privacy rights, not capturing OUR naked scans on camera. And taking off from general DHS indoctrination on 'this is a federal facility,' plus 'photographers-could-be-terrorist-scouts', (except in a setting where any tourist will be carrying a camera).

    However it started, no one is stopping the widespread intimidation against documentation of any abuses. Thugs encourage intimidation.
     
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    In the latest case the clerk said it was illegal.
    The clerk should be held accountable for that statement.
     
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