Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It's a recipe for abuse, pure and simple.

    As for moving out of the country, I would have a long time ago. But with an aging mother in a nursing home, I can't. I'm stuck. Given that I believe this country is going down the crapper, in more ways than one, I would dearly love to leave.
  2. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I'm trying to figure out how BDO's can prevent someone from flying or arrest them based on these "interrogations". Seriously, Mike's right, unless the tinfoil hat has made remarkable advancements, how can this program work?

    Another question which I'm certain I already know the answer but will ask anyway, will this method of screening replace gropes and scopes? Of course not, so what we have is another layer of ineffective crap to heap onto the already intrusive-mucked-up-mess we have.

    Lisa, my twenty-something son & daughter are exploring Australia as their new home for many of the same reasons. Fortunately they're foot-loose and fancy-free to do so.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    FetePerfection, since they already have the power to detain people without cause, this will just increase that power. They don't like your answers, they don't like your "attitude," they just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, they can mess with you, detain you, make you miss your flight. And, of course, use this as another excuse to grope.

    John Pistole is a criminal. This program is criminal.
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Nothing the TSA does "works".

    It doesn't stop them ever from steamrolling ahead.
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  5. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    As much as I like Australia, I know of a nice little European Micro-State that I can immigrate to very easily. I'll have to learn Italian, but I took it in High School, I'll be OK.
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member


    San Marino?
  7. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Winnah winnah chicken dinnah

    (my wife holds dual US/San Marino Citizenship)
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    My husband has two passports, U.S. and U.K., and I keep urging him to renew the latter. I can't leave -- yet -- but sooner or later . . . .
  9. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    This conversation is sad. I served my country and here I am ready to leave it. 10 years ago I'd never harbor such thoughts.

    I'm not going all Bobby Fisher tho, I'd just move. Things could change. Not likely, not without a revolution anyway.
  10. BillForster

    BillForster Original Member

    Perhaps not! I often tell this story so I apologize if I already posted it here on TU.

    One day I was checking passenger IDs downstairs and away from the checkpoint. A passenger, not on line, walked up behind me. He started waving his arms and screaming about how the government was out to get him and the president was the a demon sent from (expletive deleted). Jesus has sent him on a mission. He ranted like a crazy person in a Hollywood movie. Aliens, Conspiracy, God. This wasn't an angry passenger, this was a crazy person.

    I called the BDOs on the radio. "Code Zebra" is how you call them on the radios at LAX. After 20 minutes of standing there listening to this guy and expecting him to attack me the entire time the BDOs came. They were chatting back and forth, slowly walking through the terminal with coffee in their hands. They asked what the problem was. I said, "See this crazy guy screaming four feet away from me?" They responded, "Yes." I said, "That's the problem."

    Clearly annoyed the BDOs asked this guy two questions. Something like, How are you doing today? and Where you going?

    At that point they informed me he was okay to fly and walked away. I let the guy in. He got on a plane. He screamed the entire time.

    Will few people get the "all clear"? Who knows?
  11. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Bill: Thank you for confirming what I figured the BDO would do.
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  12. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Check this out:

  13. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Actually I think China is paying for this but they don't know it yet. Wait until they find out America is a deadbeat country, oh boy, will they be pissed.
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  14. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    just don't try to come by boat and you should be OK...
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Why not? My grandmother was from Sydney, and they made many trips by boat between the U.S. & Oz starting with my grandfather's first visit on the U.S.S. California "good will tour" in 1925. "Good will" apparently involved raiding the supply of local women by marrying them & shipping them back to the States. :D
  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Call me an oddball, but I don't see this BDO business as particularly intrusive. A total waste of money and a fraud yes. What is wrong with simply ignoring these twits? I mean, if somebody I don't know at the airport asks me "How do you feel about flying today" or "Do you have a business card", I'm surely not going to talk to this person or give him/her any personal or professional information. Why should I make any exception for some government fool whom I don't know and whose credentials and/or legal authority have not been presented to me?
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You'll change your mind after one of them gets in your face & tries to pick a fight with you. Like the rest of TSA, they are a bunch of ill-trained thugs & Neanderthals.
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  18. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I can't see how that would happen, not saying it didn't.
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    STL has the finest, believe me. :rolleyes: Bierfeldt was just the tip of the iceberg.
  20. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    a 'hot' political issue over here is the arrival by boat of peoples fleeing from various and sundry unpleasant social/political/economic situations.

    Some call these peoples refugees, some call them illegal immigrants, some call them desperate people. The truth lies somewhere between all of those, but sadly instead of extending a humanitarian hand, it is a political issue which sees our nation detaining them in various off-shore detention centres and now flying them off to Malaysia (no frequent flyer points awarded). Ultimately, after languishing for extended periods of time (often in excess of two years) most, greater than 80% are found to have genuine refugee or persecution reasons and are permitted entry.

    But at the moment they are the 'hoards of boat people' headline, 'jumping' the immigration queue and 'stealing' legitimate refugees places in coming here.

    The benefit of living on an island I guess.

    Ignore the fact that those who can afford an air ticket but do not hold appropriate visas or residency permits (and there are many, many more of these than arrive by leaky boat) get to languish for relatively short periods of time in immigration detention on-shore before either being deported or granted refugee or protection status.

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