MORE BDO INTERACTION

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Mike, thanks. I posted this comment there:

    Unreal that you're extolling this program, another scenario ripe for abuse. And yeah, caring about civil liberties is "whining." The incompetent TSA would be laughable if it weren't so malicious. Thousands of people are bullied, harassed, and assaulted every day by the power-tripping employees of this agency. And now it will get worse.

    Police detectives take years to hone their observational skills. Yet these yahoos are going to be unleashed on the public after 4 days in the classroom and 24 hours of on-the-job training. God help us.

    Thanks, Boston Herald, for doing your part to further shred our rights.
     
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  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    P.S. I also sent it as a Letter to the Editor.
     
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  4. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    I don't think I could write anything that nice. Most of what I would write to the Hearld would involve allowing my theoretical pet parakeet to poop all over it.
     
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Somebody named "walnuttrees" also commented.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Lots of comments coming in, all but one so far highly critical of the TSA. I just responded to the one who's not.
     
  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I suspect this is an effort, at least in part, to lever 18 USC § 1001 into effect. That law says that it's illegal to lie to a federal employee engaged in official duties. FBI used to be (and probably still is) pretty good at this. For example, the question "Do you have any intent to protest at the political convention", if answered "No" can turn into a federal offense if it is shown later that at the time the person had such an intent.

    So if a BDO asks you where are you travelling to, and you say "Timbuktu" when you're actually going to Dubuque, that could be a crime. Or, if you are asked "Do you have a business card" and you say "no, I don't" when actually you have, this could be a crime, if it could be shown that you knew you had one and it was not a simple question of thinking you didn't. Joke responses might be interpreted as lies also.

    Overall, it is too easy for the government to turn any response into a crime, or at least an excuse for further investigation, which itself is burdensome to the person being investigated, especially if it's one of these airport encounter things. All a BDO would have to do to trigger a LEO interrogation would be to report a belief that a traveler had made a false statement to the BDO.
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This is insane. Insane. We are living with insanity.
     
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  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I'm inclined to agree with you here.

    However, TSA does not ever show that it can dial back a procedure to a meaningful extent. Instead they are always a solution searching for a problem. And anyone with half a brain knows that's no way to prevent terrorism.

    The checkpoints under TSA's "guidance" are becoming more and more chaotic, and dangerous, not less so. It sounds to me as if you will stop at Podium 1 and show your papers. Then you stop at Podium 2 and have an "interaction". And if you show a "microexpression", or the Blue Voodoo reveals you to be some kind of "threat" you get "additional screening." Nowhere am I reading that a positive interaction = sane screening and a negative interaction = strip search/grope. I'm reading Interaction 1, Interaction 2, strip search/grope + additional harassment if you are deemed a "threat."

    That has always been TSA's MO, to ramp up harassment as a deterrent to terrorism. I hope I'm wrong.
     
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  10. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Interesting thought, and scary if true.

    However, the one thing standing in the way of that is that we again come back to the fact that TSOs have no law-enforcement authority whereas FBI agents do. To use what seems to be the de-facto analogy, it'd be like lying to a clerk at the post office.
     
  11. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Yes, but the code doesn't make that delineation. It just says "Federal Employee"

    It's very scary. If they're recording you, then they could, in theory, turn that recording into the FBI and make you have a rotten day.

    Sad what this country is turning into.
     
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  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    If they want to overcharge on an infraction, they will. But it's the BDO inadequacy in training, not lack of authority, that galls me the most. It makes a mockery of professionalism. A few sound bites on what real behavioral detection training requires would punch a quick hole in the repeated lie of calling it Israeli-style.

    Not to mention the problems are offsite. The recent almost-rampage in Seattle was averted by one of the recruits going to the authorities, not the other way around. The problem source? An inspirational leader at a mosque right by SEA, pointless war, and being joined at the hip with Israel. Check & infiltrate the mosques and stop hassling the public at large. A lot better ROI for Americans.
    An older but still open thread:
    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...-screening-the-new-tsa-security-tool-8-3-2011
     
  13. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    And more and more, every time I run this gauntlet I'm reminded of the Salem Witch Trials.

    It was during this period where anyone could, for any reason by any body, be accused of witchcraft. To prove that one wasn't a witch, after a "trial" in a kangaroo court, you would either be bound and thrown in the lake or burned at the stake. If you sank or burned to death, meaning your sorcery couldn't save you, you obviously weren't a witch, though unfortunately now you were dead.

    That this irony escapes the intellectual class of Boston is astounding.
     
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  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Maybe I don't understand this correctly. Is this going to be a situation where everyone on every plane is going to be questioned? I don't see how that can possibly be done. I suspect there would have to be be some aspect of selection for questioning, under who knows what sort of standard.
     
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I read it as they are planning to interview every single person. Now, in fact, that could be just how they are portraying it and it won't come to that. However, if that is the case, then we will see charges of profiling.

    You want to know what I think? (If you don't, don't read this :)): I think the TSA is desperate to find a terrorist, any terrorist, in order to say that their "program" works. I think they are scared to death of funding being cut back at some point in the not-too-distant future.
     
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  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    No, not my understanding at all. They aren't going to question every single person. They only have so many so-called trained BDOs. They'll be roaming around stopping and questioning people at whim, just like they now grope and harass people at whim. They, as usual, have absolute power and absolute authority.
     
  17. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    And they'll absolutely get their asses kicked if they're not careful.
     
  18. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    So a third of the American public thinks this BDO program is a great idea. I guess I'm supposed to take comfort in the fact that 2/3 don't, but somehow I can't.
     
  20. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Considering that a couple of years ago, the vast majority would have approved of the TSA's action, this is an improvement. A glass half full, NOT half empty.
     
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