Muskegon Chronicle: Steve Gunn: Just say no when the TSA asks you to 'chat'

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  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Muskegon Chronicle: Steve Gunn: Just say no when the TSA asks you to 'chat'

    I came face-to-face with Big Brother the other day, and it was a frightening experience.
    He actually presented himself in the deceptive form of a young, attractive female officer, working for the Transportation Security Administration at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.
    At first she simply seemed chatty and friendly. She looked at my airline boarding pass and noted that I was coming from Denver. Then she mentioned that I was headed from Detroit to Grand Rapids.

    "That's a pretty short flight," she said.

    "Talk to my travel agent," I grumbled.

    At that point she asked me what my business would be in Grand Rapids.

    "I'm headed home," I replied.

    Then she wanted to know where home was. That's when the mental alarms went off and I realized I was being interrogated by Big Brother in drag.

    ...

    I then told her I am an American citizen, traveling within my own country, and I wasn't breaking any laws. That's all the federal government needed to know, and I wasn't going to share any more.

    Not because I had anything to hide. It was because we live in a free country where innocent people are supposedly protected from unwarranted government intrusion and harassment.

    At that point the agent yelled out, "We have another refusal." One of my bags was seized and I was momentarily detained and given a hand-swab, which I believe was to test for residue from bomb-making materials.

    ...


    I'm glad we quit flying. I'd really lose it with these damned dim-witted Nazis.
     
  2. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Where's it end? What's the limit? When the smurfs ask 'How much is in your bank account?"
    "What's the password to your online bank account?"
    "Is your home unguarded?"
    "Are you a virgin? How many partner have you had?"
    "Who did you vote for?"
    "How much did you donate to which charity?"
    etc.
     
  3. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    It ends with people like the author of this piece, standing up to these blue-collar workers who think they are "Federal Officers." No American citizen who is travelling domestically should be subject to this voodoo-science line of questioning, even if the questions are not as personal as the examples you give here! It ends when we, collectively, or individually, start standing up to these thugs!
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    As long as people forfeit their rights without complaint it will not end.
     
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  5. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I fear that its going to get this personal before more people will WAKE UP and I fear that by then the landslide will be too far out of control.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm proud that the author stood up, I'm proud of the people here who stand up, but there's so much more of the populace that cow and each time, the smurf machine wins more ground and that ground lost, will be harder to get back.
     
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  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member



    Incorrect assumption.

    The hand-swab was punitive, so as to drive home the notion that it is a bad idea to question the "authority" of an "ennobled" high-school drop-out with no notions of personal hygiene, basic chemistry, American history, morals, or ethics but has been issued a fake cop costume and a tin badge.
     
  7. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Let's see... Unlawful detainment, harassment,Assault, deception/coercion under color of law. When will people grow a set of balls and put TSA in it's place in the dust bin of history like hitler, saddam and other tyrants... Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it!
     
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    After the author made this statement:

    He should have said something to the effect of:

    "And now you may grope me, search my luggage and test me for explosive residue as my punishment."
     
  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I just read through the comments and got a good laugh from one who calls himself "cleverbob" in which he claimed that he was taken to a private room and made to strip down to his boxer shorts. Afterwards, he was told, in effect, that TSA has a quota of people whom they must strip search.
     
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    <sarcasm>But the TSA says they NEVER strip search anyone - never mind what the paper drapes are for!</sarcasm>
     
  11. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Repeat after the spokehole "Dignity and Respect!"
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If ever accosted by TSA for an interrogation, I refuse to call it a chat down, ask exactly what part of an Administrative Search for WEI this process falls in to.
     
  13. TSA News Blog

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    Steve Gunn writes in the Muskegon Chronicle about his refusal to tell a TSA worker where he was flying and what he was doing:​
    At first she simply seemed chatty and friendly. She looked at my airline boarding pass and noted that I was coming from Denver. Then she mentioned that I was headed from Detroit to Grand Rapids.​



    “That’s a pretty short flight,” she said.
    “Talk to my travel agent,” I grumbled.​
    At that point she asked me what my business would be in Grand Rapids.​
    “I’m headed home,” I replied.​
    Then she wanted to know where home was. That’s when the mental alarms went off and I realized I was being interrogated by Big Brother in drag.​
    I asked her why the federal government needed to know where I was going and what I would be doing. She explained that the questions were part of a new security “pilot program.”​
    I then told her I am an American citizen, traveling within my own country, and I wasn’t breaking any laws. That’s all the federal government needed to know, and I wasn’t going to share any more.​
    Not because I had anything to hide. It was because we live in a free country where innocent people are supposedly protected from unwarranted government intrusion and harassment.​
    At that point the agent yelled out, “We have another refusal.” One of my bags was seized and I was momentarily detained and given a hand-swab, which I believe was to test for residue from bomb-making materials.​
    I passed the bomb test and was told I could move on, but I hung around a moment and told everyone within listening range what I thought about this terrifying experience.​
    So, this is what we’ve come to. The federal government now has a need to know where citizens are going and what they are doing before they are allowed to peacefully pass. I’m starting to wonder what separates us from Russia or Cuba.​
    Of course, I went home, got on the computer and learned more about this “pilot program.” I discovered that it’s been going on for a few years now at selected airports around the nation.​
    Of course, it’s caught no terrorists, but it has picked up a few people with drug warrants. (Is that really the goal of the $60-plus billion we’ve put into the TSA?)
    Gunn asks the right questions:
    What’s next? Check lanes on city streets, where jackbooted thugs from Washington, D.C., will stop everyone every morning to ask them where they’re going and what they’re up to? And if our answers are not what the government wants to hear, perhaps we’ll be sent home and put under surveillance, to make sure we’re not involved in anything that Big Brother doesn’t approve of.​
    Our freedom is severely compromised when government is allowed to do this sort of thing. We are supposed to be presumed innocent and able to come and go as we please, as long as we don’t break any laws or give authorities reason to believe we may have.​
    I believe a number of actions by the TSA — like leaving your belongings on the belt where anyone can steal them if you opt out of the nudie scanners and go for the groping — are meant to intimidate passengers. What was done to Gunn seems like another such tactic.
    An academic who follows me on Twitter chided me for my supposed silliness in speaking out about the TSA, but every violation of our rights matters. Every time we let our rights be eroded, it’s that much easier to yank them from us the next time and the next time, and to yank more and more rights from us.
    Because of a lot of crazy deadlines and obligations (book, etc.), I’m working now as if chased by coyotes. I’d meant to do a protest at a TSA checkpoint at LAX by the end of August, and I’ve had to postpone it. But I do mean to do it. If you can protest in any way — whether at a checkpoint or by other means — please do so.
    Don’t go quietly at the TSA checkpoint or any time you see rights being violated, whether yours or another person’s. The quiet road is the path to the police state — or more of a police state than already exists in this country.
     
  14. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    This sentence from the piece just warms my heart.
     
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  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    When I read that sentence, my first thought was, "oh, so they do get a lot of people who refuse to play the game."

    Good.
     
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Long live refuseniks!
     
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  17. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    All that's missing is the baseball bat.
     
  18. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Dont forgetn the nails and broken glass.
     
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Meh. If you're going that route, a tetsubo works nicely without modification.
     
  20. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    if your gonna go with that just go with a katana... although would to easy/painless for what smurfunchon deserve.
     

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