Nationalization of Police = Bad

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Be patient. Read the whole article.
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'll have to get to the whole article after I finish sleeping, but this keeps sounding more & more like Nazi Germany: SA vs. SS vs. military.

    Despite the ravings of a few nutballs, it's pretty clear that our military won't turn on the American people. The SA (originally political muscle) evolved into a national police force that was posturing to take command of the military.
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  3. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Good find, Elizabeth. The paragraph near the end about "as long as there is a War on Terror..." struck a chord with me. I often wonder just how long the absurd WoT will be allowed to continue and when/how it will end.

    I second Liz' recommendation to read the whole thing. It does a very good job of drawing parallels between modern and historical police-state scenarios without coming off like a conspiracy-theory piece.
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It won't. That's the point. It is an excuse for every violation of civil liberties, every railroaded defendant, every FOIA request denial, every grope at the airport, every drone attack, every unwarranted search & seizure, every wiretap and computer surveillance, every addition of a name to a watch list, every encroachment of the National Security State from now to kingdom come. It will never end, because it is a self-perpetuating condition.
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I agree with what you've said with one modification. It may not end, but that's not to say that the people can't end it. The fact that it's designed not to end should serve to underscore the importance of constant resistance, constant pushbacks, constant effort to make the WoT's ringleader+' lives as difficult as possible.
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Totally 100% agree.
  7. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I think push back has already started and it's growing..."Occupy Wall Street" and "Human Needs Not Corporate Greed" in DC are not just protests against the financial corruption of's the frustration of citizens from all walks of life trying to take back our country, restore our liberties and rights under the Constitution and bring awareness to the masses who, one day will wake up to find themselves living in a country they no longer recognize. Yep, I think that movement has begun!
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  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Here's an interesting take on this topic...
    This economic collapse is a 'crisis of bigness'

    Kohr wrote half a century ago about the large economies and nations being "too big for human scale".

    The cool thing is, if he's right, that there will be a reversion back to smaller societies, where it is possible for a human kind of government, and not this wicked monstrosity that we have now, capable of all kinds of murder and cold blooded cruelty.
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Unfortunately, the Kingdom of Minnesota will probably end up as a communist autocracy.
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  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    that's ok, because perhaps the duchy of Indiana might be a benevolent monarchy....there will be choices. Not the one size fits all hand wrapped around our family jewels courtesy of an unfeeling, unlawful, and unrestricted malevolence in Washington district of columbia.
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    In NYC, the transit union - the people who drive city buses - are pushing back against the NYPD. Over the weekend, the NYPD commandeered transit buses to haul all those arrested at the Brooklyn Bridge off to the hoosegow. The transit works are now saying, "no, we won't assist you in your efforts to stop this protest." ^^


    Oops - I thought I was in another thread so I'm going to copy this post over there.
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think I could get behind a return to the Republic of Texas.
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  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Stupid retarded cops -- if they'd just let them walk, it would have been closed for a lot less than three hours:

    I've done it myself on the pedestrian walkway, I'd estimate it took us 20-30 minutes to cross, with some sightseeing/rest stops.
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  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Some would claim that that it's always existed. :)
  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Excellent read! Thanks for sharing it!

    There is something that really stood out to me from this piece (well, several things, but this one in particular). While current DHS secretary Janet Napolitano was governor of Arizona, one of the cities placed several speed detection cameras along a state freeway that essentially circles the city (the Loop 101). Being a Western state, Arizonans typically do not like to travel at lower speeds, and really don't like being monitored while driving.

    Much controversy ensued over whether or not the cameras were even legal, and were turned off for a while to analyze their effectiveness.

    Imagine my surprise at reading this snippet in the linked essay:

    Then consider this nugget of information from the City of Scottsdale's website:

  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Aside from the fact that this is B.S., who is Scaliger?

    Such cameras are endemic today in Norway, Sweden & Australia -- my personal experience having spent 3+ months of the last several years in those countries. They are hardly police states, let alone military police states. The ones in Australia are especially perfidious, averaging your speed between cameras so it does no good to slow down when you see one.

    That's how they work. If you're in a rental car, you eventually get dunned for the fine. Today they usually just assess the car rental company, which in turn charges your credit card 2X-3X the fine. Recommendation: Don't speed. :D

    It's inevitable that they will be used here, but due process has to catch up first -- mainly a shift from criminal liability to civil liability to avoid that "right to confront your accuser" complication that tends to pop up in criminal matters.
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  17. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    That revolution would be quite bloody. Starve out the Twin Cities and you would own the place.

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