New Documents Prove TSA “Mischaracterized” Safety Aspects Of Full Body Scanners

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Could a parent be cited for child abuse for sending their child through the scanner and subjecting that child to harmful irradiation - and then have the charge doubled for allowing the child to be groped by a screener? Wouldn't it be lovely?
     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    "Unfortunately too many are ignorant or too hedonistic to let minor issues like dignity and liberty get in the way of a good time.
    Given its current constituency I really don't know if this country is really fit to survive the 21st century."

    Totally with you. It's hard not to despair.
     
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Fox News figured out a POV that wasn't getting served, and they served it, garnering the conservative population that the other news media outlets had thrown way and derided, the "NASCAR" crowd. Smart move and it paid off. Still, we should never forget that they are mainstream media just as well as ABC, NBC, etc, and they support the government apparatus as much as they can up to the point of p*ssing off their clientele. Do they or do they not need access to capital, to sponsors, to advertisers, to favorable legislation? Of course they do and they'll do as they're told when the chips are down.
     
  4. the_happiness_store

    the_happiness_store Original Member

    I hope you consider rethinking that position since they are doing a complete whitewash and double speak concerning the NotW scandal.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Nope, I'll pick Fox over the Communist News Network just about any day,
     
  6. the_happiness_store

    the_happiness_store Original Member

    'Tis a pity. Regardless it is an example that people can like and respect each other despite political differences.
     
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  7. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I have a question. Why, when a woman of childbearing age goes to the dentist, they always ask her before taking x-rays if she could possibly be pregnant. How come that question isn't asked by the TSA? Just because you don't think you are pregnant doesn't mean you aren't. Aren't all women of childbearing age at risk?
     
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    For those who have not been to the "other site", there's a thread there with video showing a pregnant TSO doing pat downs and working around AIT.

    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...ed-pregnant-tso-working-around-radiation.html

    The entire thread is very interesting. The OP is a hero in my eyes.
     
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  9. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Do you know how many of those people have benefited from a TSA grope or naked-scan?
     
  10. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    I said it there, and I'll say it here. That Pregnant TSO should have Childrens Services (or whatever it's called in IL) called on her for exposing her unborn child to that radiation for 8-12 hours daily.

    Sounds like abuse from where I sit.
     
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, let's wait a minute -- we're demonizing the wrong party here -- the TSA agent has been told over and over by her employer that the machines are totally safe -- just like miners are told their working conditions are safe just before a mine collapses on them, other workers who've been hurt on the job, etc. I don't believe the scanners are safe -- at least I don't believe they've been properly tested and certainly aren't being properly maintained or calibrated -- but let's put the blame on the criminal TSA, Pistole, and Napolitano, not on the lowly agents. I'd hate to see all of them get off the hook and a few women here and there get charged with child abuse of all things.
     
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  12. mikemey

    mikemey Original Member

    Lisa I see what you're saying. However, in order to completely take the TSA down, we have to go after everything: The administration, the procedures, and, unfortunately, the rank and file. If we can prove that nothing will be avoided, people will think twice about taking a job. No screeners makes it harder for the TSA to perform their mission, etc etc etc.

    The pregnant TSO knows she's using questionable equipment, and is being exposed. She very easily could ask for modified duty until she's returned from maternity leave, yet hasn't. If I were a Child Services Investigator, I'd be asking some VERY pointed questions. Harsh? Yes of course it is. Is it an action I'd want to take? Honestly, no. However, the TSA keeps upping their game in trying to fight us off, we have to up our game as well.
     
  13. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Lisa,

    In the case of pregnant TSOs exposing developing fetuses to radiation, I agree with you. Pissy, Nappy and the rest of the TSA upper echelon are to blame and I'd love to see them chained up inside horribly miscalibrated BKSX boxes for about 48 hours straight. You know, until their skin starts to bubble.

    However, and you may already be ahead of me here, I would like to draw a distinction between not faulting front-line TSOs for radiation exposure while pregnant and not faulting them for other misconduct on the job (such as following the criminal SOP and performing gropedowns). Just as was the case at Nuremberg, I think we should show them no leniency and no sympathy for doing their jobs, because their jobs themselves are unconscionable and would require a person of no conscience to perform them.

    Just wanted to make that point clear, not so much for you as for passersby reading the thread and maybe getting confused as to where we (or, at least, I) stand.
     
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  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    CW, I am totally for going after the gropers. I have friends who have received pat-downs, as opposed to gropes. It is possible to be non-abusive and do a cursory pat-down for show, with back of hands (I've had that). So yes, completely agree with you.
     
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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