New Documents Reveal Secret Flights to CIA Torture Prisons

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by barbell, Aug 31, 2011.

  1. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Documents in a court case involving 2 companies that provided charter flights to the US Government reveal that they were used to transport terrorism suspects to secret CIA prisons.

    AP is reporting:

     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So let me ask you a question: If you could have Nappy & Pissy sent off to a secret prison in Syria, would you not have them on a plane before sunset?
     
  3. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Absolutely not.
    While their actions are reprehensible, we do not win this argument by stooping to their level.
     
  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    We tar and feather them here, without a trial? :)
     
  5. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Nope...we sentence them to ten years in continual security queue's at PDX, LAX, SAT & MCO
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Then they'll have to stay with you. :D

    And trash barbell's carept?
     
  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, it's OK Mike: we're renting. The security deposit is already nonrefundable, and was small. :D
     
  8. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    But PDX is such a nice airport. How about LAX, EWR, DTW, ORD & RDU?
     
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  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Don't forget to add ATL, PHX, and FLL!
     
  10. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Or maybe every airport on this map?

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I prefer the rule of law, I know that's quaint, but I've had my fill of gangsters.
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's the beauty of rendition -- you pick a random country from your list and apply their law.
     
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  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    They should have to ride those beltways in the those long white corridors in LAX ... for ETERNITY!
     
  14. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I have mixed views. On the one hand, I don't have a problem with secret interrogation facilities. I've seen them put to good use, and the intelligence yield is fantastic. Isolation does that to a person. I do, however, have a big problem with torture facilities and torture as an interrogation methodology. Has nothing to do with ethics, moral judgment or other kumbaya principles.

    Torture does not work.

    Looks great when Jack Bauer saves the day on TV, but in real life, torture is counterproductive. I still have friends who are currently active, and they tell me that all of the age-old principles of good old interrogation works quite effectively on terrorists just as it did on Cold War spies. There is no need to rough them up; no need to torture them.
     
  15. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    No government based upon law can last long once it embarks on torture. Either it must abandon torture or it must abandon law.
     
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  16. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I agree with the principle of what you say. However, reality is that many governments who endorse torture are still in business. Doesn't make it right. But that's the reality.
     
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    A government can remain in business without law for a considerable time. Egypt under Mubarak, Chile under Pinochet, there are many examples. I once came to known a man who had been tortured by Mubarak's government. He had permanent physical and psychological damage. I also met people who had seen massacres and brutality in Guatemala in the late 1980s. They broke down in tears describing it.
     
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member


    And lot of those torturers were trained, thanks to our tax dollars, in this country, at the School of the Americas, ostensibly disbanded but in fact not, simply renamed Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC).
     
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  19. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yes, well, don't even get me started on that.
     
  20. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I understand. It's an unfortunate and ugly fact of life. I've been in those situations when we were providing support to nations whose policies supposedly went against US interests and human rights policies.
     
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