New FBI definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's probably true. National rape figures are artificially low due to the FBI's very limited definition of what can be reported to them as a rape.

    That was a nice scathing column -- a bit windy but well done.
     
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It's way too long and repetitive, really needed to be edited, but yes, I'm glad he wrote it.
     
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Fisher, they deny that they're sticking their hands/fingers anywhere they shouldn't be, so there doesn't need to be an exemption. There doesn't need to be an exemption for something the TSA denies it's doing. Just look at Rugape and Ron, and, of course, Bloghdad Bob -- "proper procedures were followed," "we don't conduct strip-searches," "strip-searches are not part of the protocol," "I don't have personal knowledge of this, therefore I can't speak to it," blah blah blah.
     
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  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    There's no need to name names. They're all the same, once they put on the Blue Shirt.
     
  7. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Just had a thought - we all know that:

    A. Passengers have reported being strip-searched.
    B. "Proper procedures were followed"
    C. "Proper procedures do not include strip searches."

    ...cannot all be true at once.

    If A and B are true, then C is incorrect or a lie (or "out of date" as so many BUSHO smurf-clerks love to say).
    If A and C are true, then B is incorrect or a lie, which would not be the first time it was used to cover for clerk misconduct.
    If B and C are true, then the pax reporting A is either mistaken or a liar.

    That last one is key - by repeating B and C (note that TSA never outright stated that "Ruth Zimmermann was not strip searched.") they're effectively casting doubt on the veracity of the pax' statements and thus casting doubt on the integrity of the pax themselves.

    Wouldn't that be grounds for a defamation lawsuit?
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

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  9. gojirasan

    gojirasan Original Member

    This new definition of rape seems pretty common sense to me. But isn't rape a state crime? Would not the individual states also have to adopt this definition? In Massachusetts these sexual violations are defined as indecent assault already, but not a single TSO has been prosecuted. Probably because everyone knows nothing would come of it. The police wouldn't make the arrest. The DA wouldn't take the case. You can't really expect the government to police themselves.
     
  10. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    My understanding is that the Federal actions deferred to the State definition. WA defines exactly as the FBI.

    Since the State, in its craven attempt to appease its DHS grant-funding-masters, suggested in my case Celtic's missing option "D", that it was "an accident", perhaps I'll now register my complaint with the FBI instead.:D
     
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  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    A new definition makes a strong case for all passengers to record all grope downs, because what some screeners do may rise to the level of rape.

    And now the new definition reflects that: defines the crime as “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

    Yep, serial rapists.

    But, it's not yet a done deal, as I was reading in this article on Truthout. I expect the TSA is already meeting with the FBI, and I suspect they're going to try to get in some weasel words, probably around the area of 'consent'. Hopefully the FBI will smack them down.

    The next steps, according to the article, are these:

    The new definition will now go to the International Association of Chiefs of Police and working groups for feedback before a final recommendation is presented to the CJIS Advisory Policy Board (APB) in December. Finally the APB’s recommendation will go to FBI Director Robert Mueller for final approval.
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The FBI defines exactly what constitute a particular crime that is reported for its national crime data. If they allowed 50 different state definitions for each category of crime reported, the data would be meaningless.
     
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  14. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I added Ricky German's quote to my sig earlier today before I heard about this, but now it's even more ironic. :eek::p
     
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    FBI’s new definition of rape – does the TSA shoe fit?

    Also, from last year:
     
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  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Opposed to "going all the way?"
    SFIA is privately staffed. DA's willingness to prosecute a coincidence? You decide.
    Is even the potential for prosecution another reason Pistole doesn't want to expand contract screeners?
     
  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I realized that the post I made quoting Truthout was from Oct.! :oops: The Feminist Majority has stated that the new wording was voted on the other day by the FBI Criminal Justice Advisory Board - they voted unanimously to accept it. Now Mueller needs to sign it. And he probably will.

    Here's the link to the Feminist Majority statement.
     
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  18. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    The good news is that Amy Alkon and Chloe Kardashian will be able to point to the FBI definition when someone challenges their statements that the groping they received from TSA effectively amounted to being raped.

    The sad thing is that both were were criticized by rape victim advocates at the time for comparing their experiences to rape. Talk about eating your own.
     
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  19. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Example from The Other Forum: 'we don't stick our hand in your pants, we place our fingers inside the waistband.'
     
  20. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Dear TSA,

    If your camel's nose extends under my tent flap I'm going to whack it smartly.

    Love,

    Your Employer
     
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