New York Post: Fake IDs still exposing security gaps at US airports

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Somebody should remind these bozos that the 9/11 hijackers used proper ID's with the real names on them ...

    New York Post: Fake IDs still exposing security gaps at US airports

    Checking ID's was begun by the airlines as a means of revenue protection when they introduced non-refundable, non-transferable tickets.
     
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And look at the first line of that NYPost article -- the usual fear-mongering.
    Oh, my goodness, Terrorists! I'm getting the vapors just thinking about it!
     
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  3. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Oh, but don't worry! You'll never be in danger because the TSA has layers! They have layers, and layers, and layers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have never figured out how looking at ID's like TSA does adds anything to security. The ID is not matched to any list but just to the face of the holder, and even then if the person is properly screened still offers nothing in the way of improving security.
     
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Theater.
     
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  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    While being out and about this afternoon, I've been hearing news reports about how, beginning soon, people under 50 in NJ will need to produce a birth certificate or passport, two proofs of address (I thought we needed that already) as well as a social security card in order to renew their licenses. People over 50 won't need to do that until 2017.

    The person, from the state I presume (please forgive me - I've just had some "minor" surgery that has knocked the socks off me) was "crowing" that because of these new requires beginning in 2014 people from NJ will be able to board airplanes while people from states that are refusing to initiate these "safeguards" won't be able to get on an airplane. Dumb (expletive deleted) - what about all the people over 50 who don't have to meet the new requirements? Are they not going to be allowed to travel.
     
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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    As I recall, the cupcake-in-a-jar had layers, too. Didn't stop the TSA from leaking stupid all over it.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    That wasn't a leak, that was a Deepwater Horizon.
     
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This reminds me of the new passport rules that were being floated. Would have to go dig up the article. Sometime last year, a memo about them was leaked. Remember? It's probably even on TUG. But I remember an email conversation with Ms. Highly Paid Network TV Reporter (who's totally in favor of everything the TSA does, and who has called me a "lunatic" for my concern about civil liberties) telling me that such new passport rules are required because "we live in a different world now."

    Really, V?? We live in a different world?? Wow, what a revelation. And here I thought we were still in the age of horse and buggy.

    I told her that with such rules, if they ever went into effect, my father would never have been able to get a passport. She replied that neither would her parents. But again, "we live in a different world now."

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    Okay, found it:
     
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Her reply (Tuesday, April 26, 2011) was a quote from an on-line comment:
    Fair enough.
    My reply:
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I was an Air Force brat. There is absolutely no way I could assemble that info.

    My mother & I put most of it together in 1972 when I was considering applying for Navy ROC (cheated slightly by using APO instead of 3-4 addresses in Norway), but that file has long since been lost.

    I would bet that ultimately this level of documentation would be rejected by the courts as an unnecessary hindrance on our right to travel, but that would take a while.
     
  12. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I had to come up with a list of addresses and employers for my airline job, and again had to recreate something similar to get my current practice license.

    There's no way the record was complete.

    And there's no way a bureaucrat could verify it. This stuff is insane. Absolutely insane.
     
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  13. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I had to do the same thing in order to pass the moral character section of the bar in order to practice law. Once I moved away from home (at 18) I moved on average of once per year whether I needed to or not. And I've had a zillion jobs. I was in a panic at not being able to list all of my employers and all of my addresses since age 18 so I called the bar and asked what I should do. They gave me some magic words to use -- 'to the best of my recollection, ect.' Thankfully, that satisfied the requirement.

    There is no way in the world I'd be able to recreate my life from 18 to about age 32 or so.
     
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  14. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'm sure this is about Real ID. One of the deadlines for the states is 2013.
     
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    You're probably right but for some reason I thought NJ had rejected Real ID - maybe that was BC (Before Christie - the big fat bully).
     
  16. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    A lot of states rejected it - kinda sorta. Nobody really wanted to pick a fight over it so the states passed resolutions against it, crossed their fingers behind their backs, and then have been quietly trying to the requirements of it.

    The only way to truly get rid of Real ID is to repeal the statute that created it....much like what has to happen if we ever want to be rid of the TSA.
     
  17. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Kinda like the cupcake they confiscated and the cake they cut a few months ago.
     
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  18. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I read a few months ago that for serious money there are IDs that will fool the computer trace. Don't know if that was true or how they would pull it off but knowing the Chinese I wouldn't put it past them.
     
  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    let me get my sham wow to dry off from that torrent of sarcasm.

    Right the same layers that failed to catch 40+ fake IDs that were tested at 5 different airports by a group I have worked with in the past :D . Those fakes didnt have a problem but my federal disaster team ID that requires secuirty clearance and a deep background check (they even called my kindergarten teacher) yet they give me a rash of crap and attempt to deny it. This is easily solved calling for the supervisor at about a 100 decibels and telling them the TDC "an idiot that needs to be fired not retrained as they obviously cant do their job"; I also dont play the name game either.
     
  20. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I'm not sure what you mean.... If you bribe someone at a DMV to create a driver's license for you, and they change info in the computer to make you 'valid', wouldn't that fool a computer trace?
     

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