No More Hesitation -> Non-traditional targets

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    or perps handcuffed and lying face down or in a seated position in the back of a patrol car and handcuffed.
    or, how about a target consisting of an unarmed middle aged woman driving away from you (the Culpepper incident).
     
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's one of the best sellers in the popular Tase Me, Bro™ series. :)
     
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  3. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    If these are used to help train DHS LEOs (and there are tons of them out there, including the Secret Service), they are trained to deal with almost every situation imaginable (close confines, low target aquisition rate, high innocent ratio, etc) in the airplanes. They also recieve training for other situations, as they are not limited to airplane duty. I am not certain how many "raids" those guys go on, if any? However, having training that prepares them for that situation in case it arises is not a bad thing in my book.

    Some of the targets could be used to help them use their talking skills (you know, that part in the movies that always works, but only works about 1/3 of the time in real life?). There are newer versions of the FATS machines out there that use the same types of imagery to help train the officers in talking to someone in those stressful moments (or at least a simulated stressful moment). There were scenarios with armed kids as far back as the early 90s, even an armed "Granny" in a couple of the training scenarios. LEOs are faced with almost every concievable combination of "holy crap" inducing situation that we could ever come up with, and domestic calls are the worst of the lot. In a domestic call, the LEO never knows who is on his side, or where the next threat comes from, in fact, the person that called for the LEOs help 10 minutes ago is about as likely to hit the LEO as the other person involved. Training for that type of scenario can be of benefit.
     
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I think you are rationalizing this waay too much, Rugape. Those targets are designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to enable a shooter to make the decision to shoot quickly. They have NOTHING to do with talking the person into laying down the weapon. You are coming up with cockamamie reasons, that, if such training exists at all, are completely orthogonal to what the purpose of these targets are.

    Those targets, coupled with a massive buying program of both weapons and ammunition by the DHS, should raise the hackles of the citizens of this country, and they have.
     
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  5. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    This is not my expertise, but unless I am mistaken, these look to be for head shot accuracy practice. Period.
    http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010104
     
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

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  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Happens when one is a TSA employee.
     
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  8. An interesting development! (via Reason)

    Law Enforcement Targets Inc. Discontinues Line of Targets Featuring Mom, Child, Grandparents, Pregnant Woman


    I don't care what his motives are, though -- there's something going wrong in the mind of a cop who blows up pictures of his own children as targets.
     
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  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Truly.

    But there's something going wrong in the minds of a large percentage of law enforcement and federal employees these days.

    Assuming they actually have minds, that is.
     
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member


    If they went to the LAPD Police Academy they could just shoot at anything that moved. Solves needing targets.
     
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  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There's a disconnect in what they're saying -- "taken offline" does not mean "discontinued".
     
  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Right. They are not discontinued at all-- they are still available, but just taken offline due to the controversy.
    Typical scenarios like below:rolleyes: , for Air Marshals, are still available online.
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    Knowing nothing about such strategy, I suppose center-of-mass is right for killing a lone gunwoman in her bathrobe, in her own house. However the "transit" series seems to depend on head shots to avoid those in the background.
     
  13. Personally, I'd like to know which police and sheriff's departments have used these targets so I can keep myself and my family out of their jurisdictions. I want to be in places where police DO hesitate to shoot, even at their own peril, even big "scary" gun-wielding black guys like the one in Kat's picture. (Incidentally, that guy looks okay to me. I suspect he's just trying to defend his beloved pit bull.)

    Remember a few months back when a cop shot and killed a guy in wheelchair who was waving a pen around? I wonder if that sharp tack had been "trained" on these targets.
     
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  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    the idea is to develop a hair trigger in the shooter. heavens, officer safety above all else, which is why we had to shoot the women in the bed reaching for her flashlight on our search warrant for her son. better an innocent to die than one of our own blue to go down, after all.

    removal of immunity from the police would go a long way to righting this. You had better be DAMN sure before you pull that trigger.
     
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