"no person may ...interfere with a crew member..."

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Nearly Arrested In Houston, No Questions Permitted, No Return Ticket Necessary


    It's an interesting and complex story, well told. I encourage all to take the time to read it in its entirity.

  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Great story. Important bit:
  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I agree. This flight attendant did the right thing at significant personal risk. She deserves recognition for that.

    I still don't like the idea of Americans and visitors to the U.S. being increasingly vulnerable to various forms of legal abuse from practically every quarter. The number of agency-written laws and de-facto enforcers has grown unreasonable.

    (as an aside: I think our federal legislators should openly vote in a transparent manner for every single federal law. I don't think it's Constitutional or wise for agencies to be permitted to write laws and set fines. I think we have too many laws on the books, and that authorization for the worst of these agency-written laws are hidden deep in massive appropriation bills, where even the most diligent voter can not observe these laws in formation early enough to make an effective protest. I am overjoyed that Obamacare was re-written as a federal tax by our Brazen Traitors sitting on the SCOTUS. Now our derelict federal legislators must go on the record for their constituents in July, leaving their fidelity or perfidy fresh in the minds of voters in November.)
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But the sheeple like it. It makes them "feel safe"!
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  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The apparatchiks have reached maximum power at the exact moment that we're approaching an impending andhistory low point of public funds and economy. It's a bit ironic. I'm scratching my head over this one on the part of airlines--if you have declining passengers, you should be firing employees who lose you customers....

    As Peter Schiff observed, we've gone from justifying every possible law by pointing to the Commerce Clause to justifying everything because it is a tax. Paraphrasing roughly, "we can now be taxed if we go to church. We can be taxed if we DON'T go to church...."
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Also low points for Americans accepting personal responsibility and accountability, and an Imperial arseload (1.27 metric assloads) of people who're so poor that they're willing to sell their ethics in return for a TSA paycheck.

    (Or, possibly, they simply had no ethics to begin with - and that made TSA employment attractive anyway.)
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I doubt he was at any personal risk whatsoever.

    First, with regard to being late, only the gate agent can make that determination. Once the gate agent scans your boarding pass and sends you down the jetway, you are one the plane. At T-15 when the gate agents prints the passenger manifest, it becomes a major difficulty for anyone downstream to deny you boarding, because then the flight is likely to be late & that gets blamed on the gate agent. Odds are that if the flight attendant had intimidated him into leaving, the gate agent would have walked him directly back to his seat. I have even had gate agents reopen doors & re-extend jetways to get me on a plane "late" on a couple occasions. Until the doors are shut & the wheels are unchocked, the gate agents controls who gets on the plane & (on most airlines) where they sit.

    I've been in two situations on Southwest where the flight attendants took personal dislike to me and tried unsuccessfully to enlist other flight attendants in their vendettas. In one case we were sitting in the bulkhead (I held "top" status for WN -- A-List & Companion Pass and was usually among the first on the plane) and she was upset that I put my carryon in the bin over my head because she had her own personal rule that on her flights it was reserved for small items. She really made a big deal about and kept coming back at me throughout the flight (I had also moved my carryon so it wasn't in her pet bin). Another flight attendant came & talked to me & asked if everythings ok, etc. No problem with him. :) The complaint to Southwest took a month & a half to process, with a couple apologies for the delay and assurances that it was being reviewed "at the highest levels". She's probably still working for Southwest but I'm pretty sure she was fried thoroughly.

    In the other situation the young twenty-something FA (probably her first months on the job) made up her own rule that anyone sitting in the exit row had to put his or her own bag in the overhead. I always put my wife's in the overhead because at 6'1" I can slide it right it. I objected to her ad hoc rule and she got so bent out of shape that she wouldn't let my wife put her own bag up!!!! And this is all during the A-List boarding! She flipped on the attendant call button and started whining, "I want the captain, I want the captain." Neither the captain nor the lead FA showed up but one of them must have chewed her (expletive deleted) out. I was going go file a complaint but on a trip to the lav through the rear galley she was suddenly very nice & icky sweet and wanted to make sure that I'd had enough snacks, etc.

    The guy who wrote the post probably just ran into one of United's rare but legendary "only there for your safety" primadonnas on one of her worst days, of which she typically has 4-5 such days a week.
  8. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    "Safety first" is true but employees also forget that they are also the face of the company.

    Or so was the ethic I was taught, I might be a dinosaur though.
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  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I can't imagine why any seasoned traveler would put themselves in a position of having an appointment that relied so heavily on making a particular flight.

    I used to fly out 6-8 hours early if not the day before I needed to be somewhere. It's not just TSA, there are weather and mechanical delays along with flights that get cancelled for lack of passengers. I would never put myself in a position where a TSA goon asked DYWTFT?, and I couldn't say no and walk out.
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